How do you see Apple killing Android forever ?

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    By the way, is Leo Laporte actually calling this a phablet even though it's not a phone? A phablet is supposed to be a phone-tablet.
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    No, he is calling the Note a phablet. I used the term incorrectly above referring to the Galaxy player. Leo is a big Note fan.
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    I try to listen to Leo as often as I can. Not long before the Note became his favorite, it was the iPhone 4S. He recently put Liquipel on his 4S and dropped it in water to see if Liquipel works. The phone went dead and he was going to put it in rice to dry it up. I never his follow up on the phone's fate!

    I like and his advice a lot, but I don't know how serious to take him when he shifts to different phones.

    That said, I've been agonizing over what smart phone to get next. I've had a 3GS for over two years now and debating between the Note and the 4S. Right now the Note is winning.
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    For me both server different needs and customer focus.
    Let me preface my reply by saying I enjoy both iOS and Android and have no bias against either.... I have use cases for both and they both have a firm place in my daily connectivity:
    iOS on the iPad 3 (formerly iPad 1) is great. Consistent user experience - fast OS, no crashes - great battery life etc.... Also great for people who are afraid of computers or simply not very comfortable with them. I gave iPads as gifts to various family members that have a challenge using a PC and they are all extremly happy with it.
    On the other hand I could not see using an iOS phone: I need true multitasking and background processing on my phone - additionally the notification pulldown in iOS is still crap compared to Android - so for something used more interactively (calls, messages, status updates) I find the Android implementation vastly superior.... On the multitasking front I need to get all my messages, updates etc... in the background so when I am in the subway during my commute I have everything (e.g. GOOD for Enterprise, Readability updates etc..) to read.... If I was in an environment where I had a good signal close to 100% of the time this might be more of a moot point - but in reality in the NYC area background data syncs are a must.....
    Just my 5 cents - I hope both will survive and thrive - they both fit my communication needs well and I enjoy both platforms...
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    Clearly, you are incapable of seeing or understanding anything other than Apple. I feel sympathy for you about that.
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    I saw his follow up. He got the phone replaced at the Apple store. The guy known as Soldier Knows Best also dunked his 4S...but his lived through the process, at least until the end of the podcast! :)

    I think Leo is straight up. He owns multiple phones and tablets because he considers it his job to be in the know on tech (he bills himself on his weekend podcasts as "The Tech Guy") so what he is doing makes total sense to me. He explained why he likes the Note and I have zero problems with this reasoning. While I am a big guy, I don't have fat fingers. I have large hands, though, but I still don't like a large phone. I've been playing clarinet since 12yro and I am a touch typist. Leo has the short, fat stubby fingers (paraphase of his words, more or less). He claims he can see the Note's screen better. So, the Note seems to make total sense, for him. And for others, too. I carry my phone in my pocket and I'm picky about how it fits in my hand, so for something I'm going to carry around, I'd rather have the traditional candy bar design.

    If you think you like the Note, go for it! The Note wasn't even a choice for me. My choice was between the Razr Maxx, Nexus, and 4S. Both Droids are really nice 4G phones, but simply too large. And I was pissed with my most recent experience with my Android phone...a bug in the OS, due to HTC, wasted a whole lot of my time after causing me months of grief. I had to run for cover, as I actually do have a JOB! :)

    Tech is supposed to be fun, not a third-party induced time waster. :)
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    I could say the same thing about you, regarding Android.
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    Soldier Knows Best is cool; I've seen him run over stuff, bang on it with a hammer, etc., though not heard him on Laporte. (I'm impatient, lol, so I prefer to read tech blogs and skip among items that catch my interest.)

    I have small hands (petite Asian woman here), and the Note is a perfect size for me, but not for one-hand use, of course. I've been able to fit the Note into all my slacks pockets, surprisingly, except those with those pretend pockets that only hold lint and change, lol. It also fits in all but a couple of my purses (the evening bags that basically hold lipstick and a compact).

    Totally agree on tech fun rather than tech work. If I can't get something to work out of the box, I return it. It's not like I couldn't probably figure it out, but I don't spend money so I can be inconvenienced.
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    My phone isn't fat, it's beefy. I'm sorry if being a man with large hands makes me prefer a larger phone compared to a squinting to appreciate a retina display.
    I don't enjoy slowing down my device by putting so much memory on my actual phone, I love the ability to store apps on micro sd cards, move the card to another phone, laptop, etc. or carry movies on a card when I take a trip. The sad fact is Apple uses the technique of not allowing upgradeable hardware to make more $. Micro sd cards are not slowed down unless you buy the cheap versions that aren't made for what your using them for.
    You can keep your petite phone, I prefer my big boy toy.

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    Exactly how are we defining "fat" in terms of phones? My iPhone 4S is an absolute brick compared to most Android phones out there but it does have a smaller screen than many at the same time. One nice thing about Android (being said as a 4S owner) is the versatility in devices available. If you want a small light phone you can get it. If you want a huge screen you can get it. If you want a slide out keyboard (something my next phone WILL have) you can get that too.
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    Agreed on choice being key.

    It doesn't really matter what "fat" means to one person vs. another. It's subjective, and the only person whose opinion really matters is the one buying the device. And even with things that someone might consider a drawback on a device, that person might be willing to make a tradeoff because the device offers other features he wants.

    Even if we had a grading scale for every device, with each feature broken down, each of us will have different uses, preferences, circumstances, carriers, etc., and we all weigh features differently.
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    You must have missed the part about me loving my iPad. There isn't anything in the tablet arena that beats the iPad. Conversely, there re many Android phones that are much better, faster, thinner, faster, lighter than the iPhone. So I am not dedicated to either exclusively; just open minded enough to know which is better.

    have you ever used an android phone?

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    I have. I still like them and would love to get my hands on ICS for more than a few minutes at best buy but for me the iPhone was a natural switch since I already had an iPad. In my experience with my droids (listed below ) the iPhone is a more enjoyable device. Can't argue the fact that most all app developers make their money from ios and therefore make them available to us first and sometimes exclusively. The fact that I only have to purchase an app once and have it on both devices is also a plus.
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    There are definitely more iOS apps and I thought I might miss the shared apps more after switching to an Android phone, but that hasn't turned out to be the case for me. YMMV, of course.

    The apps I use on my phone tend to be ones like Kindle, Audible, Skype, etc., which are available for free across platforms. When I travel and use more apps, I have at least one of my iPads with me, so I still have my iOS apps, and at home I've got access to all of them, of course.

    With Android, I've not looked and been unable to find anything I've wanted yet. (I don't play games, and maybe there are many of those that aren't available on Android, but I just don't miss them.) All the utility apps I want on any phone, I've been able to find for free. And I've discovered some tools -- like the multi-app killer and screen filter -- that I wish iOS had. What I miss from iOS on my Android phone are keyboard shortcuts and the ability to hit the top of the screen and scroll to the top. Maybe there are ways to do those things on Android that I've yet to discover?
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    Most people who buy €99 tablets is for the kids , ipads are great but too expensive to give to a 5 year old , as they drop everything at that age ,,drop an ipad and its broken , drop a cheap android and its also broken , but not such a huge loss as its cheap enough to buy another one , i dont see apple still around in 10 years , they are like the sony's of tablets and phones and look at the mess sony is in , only time will tell , as long as johny ive stays they have a good future , as hes the real man behind apple now and in the jobs era
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    Dude...I own a Droid Incredible that I used for two years up until last month. It runs GingerBread and is sitting right here...I still use it but not as a phone. I also own an Acer Iconia Tab A500 that runs Honeycomb. I must own as many paid for Android apps as I own paid for iOS apps (maybe more, but I have not counted). I also owned a Nook Color which I installed pure Android on (using the SD card so I could keep the Nook software intact). I gave that to my bother, though, and he has wiped the Nook software off of it complete and runs some Nook Android version. I'm actually planning to get another Android tablet, too. I had the Transformer Prime on pre-order but canceled it in January amist all the problems people where having. I'm looking at getting probably a Samsung something or other.

    But you and others can say whatever you want concerning Android phones...I'm going to disagree all day long. Your experience is just that, your experience. Mine is my experience and it counts for me more than yours and others. You can't claim you're open-minded and then claim you know which is better. You have an opinion about which is better. And your opinion is just that, your opinion. The hassles I went through with my Droid Incredible from the end of 2011 to when I switched would not have existed on an iPhone. And if they did at least there would have been a finger to point at one entity: Apple. With the Android, you had both Google and HTC involved. The problem was due to HTC and they simply did nothing about it. And Verizon and Google were useless.

    And lets not even talk about how sluggish HC is on my Iconia. I'm still waiting for Acer to release the update to ICS. Someone here claims that ICS on this tablet runs well, so I'm trying to hold out for that.

    This model that Google is using is the same one that existed with Windows. Windows running on hardware from a zillion different vendors. Years and years of headaches with hardware, drivers, and this and that. Only now, with Windows 7, have the problems been worked through to a reasonable point to end users. The same is happening with Google on mobile devices. I'm convince they will eventually get it all right, but after a lot of crap in the mean time. And don't think I am unaware of all the issues that people have with the various Android phones. I've spent lots of time on the Android forums and the XDA Developers forums reading pages and pages of complains by users.

    Finally, your comment about "much better, faster, thinner, faster, lighter than the iPhone" is simply beyond belief. Nothing I have done on the 4S is even remotely slow, so how in the world can your comment about other phones being faster have any relevance at all? Faster at what and what is that going to do for me, exactly? Likewise for lighter. I don't need the phone to be any lighter. This is totally meaningless. I don't need thinner either. I don't want bigger, this format is fine. It's about the same size as my DI...while all the new and best Android phones, the ONLY ones I would even consider, are huge, and heavier, too. They do look nice and have lovely screens, and 4G too, but they are too big. I'm not going to buy a dated phone, so the Bionic was out. Heck, HTC was out too. That left Apple and frankly, I see no loss in any way, shape or form. When I got my DI, it was one of the top Android phones and it served me well. But the Google/HTC mess just ruined it.

    Anyway, I'm done with this Android vs iOS discussion. It's a time waster.
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    AQ_OC, I'm curious why you and others bought Android devices before going with iOS.

    I've always wanted stuff that worked out of the box, and even cursory research indicated to me that many Android devices didn't, so I initially went with iOS to save myself time and frustration. (That's why I didn't go for any Android device till Kindle Fire and Samsung Galaxy Note.)
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    Two reasons for me: 1) iPhone was not available for sprint simple as that.
    2) Believe it or not I hated Apple with a passion. I hated the proprietary software, I could not understand for the life of me why people liked apple. Well that all changed when I received my iPad 2 last summer. Then it all went downhill from there. So basically I sold out or grew up (whichever) I just realized the convenience of the iOS ecosystem for me and my needs.
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    Like everything, both have their pro's and con's. Ive had an Iphone since 1st gen and last year i put up my Iphone 4 to try out a Galaxy S2. The tipping point for me was i got tired of staring at the 3.5in screen. The 4.5in Super OLED made doing things on the phone a lot easier for me. Android definitely has its share of vaults, but its come a long way in a short period of time. Two people in my family have Transformer Prime's and i have an Ipad2 and just recently got a 3rd gen. Having use both for an extensive amount of time, i give the Ipad the nod because of Icloud and the simplicity of clearly defined Ipad apps on the app store. Using a ps3 controller on terga 3 games like shadowgun takes tablet gaming to a new level.
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    I have both an ipad and android tablets and apart from games, the android can do everything the ipad can, at least as well as the ipad does. There are some games, but not nearly as much as on the apple side. That said for general day to day things i use the android tablet much more than the ipad.
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