How do you see Apple killing Android forever ?

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  1. AQ_OC

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    I have been very curious about mind mapping apps. Is there any way I could entice you into starting a thread on this and just commenting a bit about what you do with yours and how useful you find these tools? I feel as those the mind mapping would be beneficial to me, but I just don't want to jump into cold water and then die due to extreme cold (i.e., I don't want to waste money on something I don't need or I won't use).
     
  2. Skull One

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    HUH? Apple peaked? Really? I can only assume you are looking at raw percentage of in use tablets to make such a wild claim. And I hate to break the bad news, that percentage doesn't mean a thing. Lets put this into perspective. ;)

    Apple sells 3 iPads and Android sells 1. That means 75% of the market is controlled by Apple and 25% of the market is controlled by Android.

    Apple can and does sells 75 Million iPads a year and Android is struggling just to sell 25 million units a year. And to even get to that number they have to drop the price of units after 3 to 6 months. Apple doesn't drop the price. Ever. Hmmm.....

    BTW iOS is GAINING ground on Android in the phone arena. Something that people said wouldn't happen with 170+ different Android phones on the market. Yet it just picked up 10% points since the launch of the 4S. Android's number actually aren't as good anymore as people think.

    When Apple launches a new iPad, they have to have 4 to 6 million units on hand to meet the first few days of demand. When Android launches a new tablet, they only need 500K to 1 million on hand for the first few days. That is a sign of fragmentation inside Android.

    So tell me again how Apple has peaked? And please explain how Android is unifying its users base considering the amount of fragmentation that is currently happening.
     
  3. Kaykaykay

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    Tablet buyers fall into two basic categories: people who just want stuff to work and people who are willing to mess around to get things done. Most Android tabs haven't reached performance levels to meet the needs of people who just want stuff to work. At this point, Samsung and Amazon are the only Android manufacturers that have come close to serving that group, and that's the demographic where the money is, as Apple shows. And even Samsung and Amazon have a good number shortcomings.

    I can judge by checking out Android forums over the years. (I wanted a tablet long before iPad existed, so I started reading up.) It's easy to tell from most device forums who the user base is, what the probs are. If you're a nontech user like me and don't do your homework and unknowingly buy an Acer or Asus, you're probably in for a bad experience. That's why I didn't buy any tablet before iPad, even though money wasn't an issue; I didn't see need to buy myself a headache, lol. I bought iPad on launch day because I knew it would work, because I had iPhone.

    It's easy for even newbies to tell: If you check out iPad Forum, you'll see nontechs talk about enjoying their devices as well as how to do things. Unless you see likewise on an Android device forum, that device probably isn't ready for the masses. With the Samsung Galaxy Note phablet, for instance, you'll see such enjoyment posts, even though Android (sub)forums are splintered by manufacturers and devices, so there isn't the type of turnout as on iPad forum.

    Basically, if you're a consumer, it's up to you to do some easy homework, so you don't get suckered into a device that's a bad fit.

    I waited till Android devices met my needs before buying, and I'm happy with my Kindle Fire and Samsung Galaxy Note. I knew what I was getting before I laid out my money. With Android maturing, I expect more devices to meet the needs of nontech users.

    More options in the pipeline -- great!
     
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    I don't see the value side as you do. Sure, you can get what may seem like a better deal spec-wise, but the Apple has a rich universe of third-party add-ons that simply cannot be matched in the Android world. Just look at how many different types and styles of cases where are for the iPad. Because there are just 3 models, and they have sold so well, their are hoards of options. In the Android world, because there are hoards of different tablets, each with different sets of ports and locations, the options are minor. That in my mind does not equate to value.

    And when you speak of value, what about resale value. I was able to get 60% of my money back on my iPad 2, whereas my Iconia was fetching around 15%. The Iconia has a lot of ports on it, though, so you can certainly move movies on/off easier, but it was very picky in terms of playing movies. That could be blamed on the Tegra 2 and things are supposely better now with tegra 3, but it doesn't speak well for Android when a whole generation of them suffered from playback issues. Did it really matter that you can plug in a usb drive to transfer a movie if you could make one work (BTW, I finally learned how to make movies work reliably using Handbrake, but a lot of people never could).

    No, I don't the value equation is a simple as how many ports you have on a device as a lot of other factors impact value.
     
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    K3, did you root your Kindle yet? If not, is that really an Android experience or something else? The Note surely is, but I think the Kindle is a walled garden just like the iPad. It's just built up on top of Android.
     
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    I think you're missing my point: People who buy gadgets and just want them to work aren't interested in an "Android experience" (whatever that's supposed to be). If stuff just works, they'll be happy with it, regardless of platform.

    And, yes, Kindle Fire is definitely a walled garden, as advertised. I bought it specifically because I wanted a smaller tab that I could read books on, watch movies on, and listen to audiobooks on. I use barely any apps on mine, so no need to root.
     
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    I'm also wanting to see the new Windows 8 in action on tablets. Hopefully they will be on the right track with it. They have done some good things lately with the new Nokia Lumina 900. It is actually a pretty neat phone for the price.
     
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    Yes, I want to see tablets on Windows 8, too. The Lumia 900 seems like a decent phone, but they bombed its launch:

    Nokia Worth $6.50 Scrambles To Fix Lumia Data Bug With Turnaround At Stake - Forbes
     
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    Okay.. Apple has not peaked.. is that better.. they will never do any wrong and their pile of cash will continue to grow, simply due to the fact they have the golden midas touch... ;-)

    seriously.. I hope they do, at least for the bit of time I have left..lol, but I suspect they will not re-invent the wheel, but continue to improve on what they have got, if they have not peaked now, I think their best days are likely behind them..JMO. but that may be still be a few years away... it happens to all companies, but I won't lose any sleep over it, I suggest you don't either. I like Apple equipment.. should do, I have an aweful lot of it, but things change in cycles, Apple will need to bring out something new and exciting again to hold their position in the future, and I suspect that's unlikely to happen...but you never know.. I suggest you do not take members comments so litterally, at the end of the day.. were both Apple fans are we not. :)
     
  10. seneca18

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    Lol, like my post earlier about the Transformer Prime all these companies need to get better at product launches.


    Everyone has their own opinion about what makes a great revolutionary product, but I think the iPhone 5 will be just that and create a new standard for phones once again. Also, if the rumors are true Apple plans to launch an actual TV (not Apple TV) but a full television. And just guessing but most people who are already integrated into the IOS ecosystem will get one either when it launches or when they need to upgrade their tv set as long as the thing does not cost too much more than other brand tv's. It is exciting for me since I recently bought Apple stock (better late than never).
     

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