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Pricing out for HP Slate

Discussion in 'iPad General Discussions' started by Seadog, Oct 21, 2010.

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    HP Slate has been announced starting at $799. Intended for business customers, I think it is safe to say that it is not very attractive from my perspective.
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    Yes I do have to agree. 799 is too much. 499 is a sweet point for apple.
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    HP Slate = fail

    HP has no "business" selling it! :D
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    Will the slate have Windows 7 or WebOS?
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    Not yet sure, because i have read 2 different version Win7 and Web OS … but i guess is more sure win7 …. :(
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    I believe it was Endgadget where I read that one of the weaknesses of the HP Slate was that it used the limited touch capabilities of Win7, as well as the built-in Win7 Keyboard.
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    the price comparison isn't exactly fair... for $799 you get 64GB SSD, 2GB RAM (8x more than iPad), and 2 cameras, USB and SD slots and full Windows 7. Price compare the $799 to the iPad 64GB at $699...

    I think it will sell *some* because of Win7... lots of business and 'vertical' applications need that (I see a lot of docs in hospitals and clinics running around with tablet/notebook so this will be better for them). But the Slate 500 is obviously no iPad killer... its NOT a consumer device and won't even be advertised much.
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    I dunno; but an Intel Atom is far inferior to the iPad chipset. When you put a button that is equivalent to the "Ctrl-Alt-Del" on a newly released platform; that's not a good sign of platform stability either...

    I think it's going to see some popularity among the die-hard PC users; but with no App market momentum it's hard to say if it will ever compete with the iPad. I just wish Apple would wise up and get flash running on the iPad so they don't get hammered by the competition marketing against that weakness.
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    How do you know this? The newer (especially dual core) Atom chips are surprisingly powerful and I believe they are probably more powerful per clock cycle than what our Ipad is using. If you don't believe me check out the benchmarks at the following: Apple's iPad - The AnandTech Review - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News . The real problem with Atom powered tablets as I see it lies in the operating system. Apple was smart by stripping down OS X to make iOS rather than trying to shoehorn a full blown operating system into their ultra portable devices. The tablets that are running Windows 7 have a lot of overhead with the operating system and quite frankly trying to use a desktop OS on a touch device is frustrating at best. Then there are the tablets running Android despite the fact that Android is not made for that type of device.

    iOS may be overly simple for many users, but it is tailor made for lower powered devices. Until a competing OS comes out for non Apple hardware I don't see other tablets having the impact that the Ipad is having.

    Believe it or not, my Atom powered netbook does a pretty good job running OS X. I'm not sure the Ipad would be able to handle that.
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    Ctrl-Alt-Del is a necessary keystroke sequence in Windows having nothing to do with stability. If your device is on a network requiring log in capabilities, the prompt is reached by pressing those three keys. Similarly, if you wish to lock the device, you need those three keys. I imagine the Slate is being marketed as a business tool meaning the expectation is that they will be used in company networks. If they are running full blown Windows, having those keys is a must.
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    It would not have made more sense to have an "App for that"? Kinda hard to get to the app icon when the screen locks up eh? :)

    My comment about the Atom was with the consideration that the Win7 OS is a resource hog. While I'm sure that they designed the Slate to be a faster device than a netbook; there are some limitations with regards to performance that exist due to the size of the OS and the number of instructions that need to go through the processor to run it. By basic design I just don't see it being a faster and more energy conservative device than the iPad. If they had ditched Win7 and developed an OS specific to the Slate (or PC designed tablets in general) then maybe, but they did not. Also you need to consider how PC security software will affect the device in the long run; as the security software becomes is a resource hog and will continue to add burden to the processor as more virus definitions are added. iOS does not suffer from this cancer and is the reason why the devices remain as fast as when they were first released.
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    $499 is a good price for USB, SD etc. For any iPad it is rather excessive.
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    Flash on iPad is not going to happen so let's not go there

    We are going to see lots of this type of tablet with win 7 running and yes they will sell to some markets but as some else commented win 7 has lots of overheads so it remains to be seen how they perform with a touch interface.

    The issue of ram and storage is really a non event when one has 2 totally different operating systems. What i mean by that if you run win 7 and or Mac OS one needs storage and ram

    iOS does not need that sort of storage or ram to function

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    It's one of HP Slate's biggest pre-launch selling points... There's a 10 minute video on YouTube by Adobe that demos flash on the Slate to rub it in Apple's face and hurt pre-Slate iPad sales (to get prospective buyers to wait for the Slate to be released).

    Yes that was the point I was trying to make (forgot to put in the OS comparison); see my follow-up post to DaveSt.

    That's exactly why Apple IMO has a leg up. But remember; Apple's Achilles heel in the PC market was an unwillingness to make their OS "open source" that could be utilized on cheaper PC machines. I see something similar happening with the App Store environment and restrictions on available content via App Store and Flash websites. I don't think the Slate is going to hurt the iPad market much; but what about the Google tablet that's coming out and the Android based tablets that are less than half the price of an iPad? If those take off and become more 'capable' the iPad -could- be pushed aside.
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    I am not an expert on this but from where I sit the android area is a bit of a mess different os versions issues with applications and google stating support issues with tablets.. As some one else said in another thread i believe on the first round we will see a flood of devices come on to the market. Many will not make it into Australia or other countries for one reason or another. The consumers will be the one to decide which products will survive. In the long run only a few will stand out and the others will end up dead. I welcome competition it is good for the industry so it remains to be seen what will happen only time will tell In saying that Apple will continue to drive that market with high quality products And excellent battery life. The iPad version 1 is only the beginning.

    My background is a specialist reseller VAR for apple for over 25 years. I sold my business 3 years ago and now am employed as a senior computer sales specialist for computers for a major retailer in Australia similar to best buy.
    What I find interesting is what consumers think they need to access the net , face book write letters send emails play music and have their photos from cameras.
    What they say they MUST have is a intel core 2 4 gb ram and 320 gb hd. So when one looks at the iPad the first comment is oh it does not have a hard drive or no ram This is because they do not understand that the world has cHanged and in most part the iPad will do every thing they need at a much lower price point.
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    We have indoctrinated the general buying public into thinking that XXX is better than YYY. We know that more storage is better, more RAM is better, and 2.8 Ghz is better than 2.4 Ghz. The problem is that it not always true. Why pay for a Tb of storage if you do not download anything. And often a 250GB hard drive in the computer, may be just fine if you have a 4 Tb RAID. Processors have gotten so fast that we rarely use them to their full capacity unless we are in a field that requires heavy numbers crunching, graphics, or do a lot of gaming. The worse part is that we are not putting emphasis on what matters most to the general public, the infrastructure of the internet. Building the next generation of internet should be a government priority. That and controlling the vast amount of resources wasted on scheming crooks, con artists, and trouble makers.

    The iPad is a very good attempt to make a device suitable for the daily user. It has to meet a fine line between function and price. Everything costs money and room. The Slate and its brethren have to provide the components to work with whatever OS is best suited for their target. If it requires a powerful processor, they have a much higher cost than its less advanced cousin. More power, usually means more heat, which requires ways to better dissipate. The list goes on. The gamble is deciding not only what suits a person's needs, but who will have the best future solution. For example, most people want or need to print. With USB and software, the Slate will print, but needs to plug in. The iPad is getting wireless printing. For a portable device, wireless printing would be more desired. (The Slate will probably support wireless printing of some sorts, but this is just an example)
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    I've had an ipad pretty much from when they became available. I'm not an Apple fan and have an Android phone and use Windows. That said, the iPad is really a very well designed device and has completely replaced my netbook. The one thing I can't do with my iPad is corporate VPN but booting into Windows was so much of pain on the run, I hardly used it anyway.

    For me, Apple is missing on a file system so I don't have to have downloaded documents associate with a specific program, better SD card support and a camera for video chat.

    HP is trying to shoehorn a full operating system into a tablet with a smaller screen and lacking keyboard and they wonder why MS was never able to pull off a tablet. Instant On, the GUI and long battery life are a big plus with the ipad.
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    Different tablets for different people with different needs. HP has been making great touchscreen windows XP, Vista, and windows 7 computers with pretty decent touch support, scrolling, etc. The basic Atom processors are no speed demon, but they work fine on netbooks. The newer dual-core, top-end Atoms are much better. This is great for people that need real office app capabilities and need to be able to run specific windows software. I dont expect them to outsell the iPad, since the iPad is targeted as a cheaper entertainment, consumer device with a mobile OS. I do expect the HP to make HP money, and that is its goal. If it had been out when I bout my iPad, I would have paid the extra for it. I still haven't seen a date when they say it will be for sale...

    BTW - I used a full OS on a slate with no keyboard for years on my Compaq TC1000 (2001 model). It worked just fine, though battery life was only 4-5hrs. It had the Wacom pen, no touchscreen which I hope HP has retained as an option in their new slate. I see no reason why a full OS couldn't be done now, some 10 or so years later.
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    An article out today showed that the Slate can never be a competitor for the iPad. In essense, the Slate is a netbook in tablet form, using software that is designed for standard computers. Even its touch screen is a old school design. It is a final incarnation of the old school, and the iPad is the first incarnation of the new school. There will be those who need the Windows 7 function, but it will never attract the public.

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