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iPad 3 retina display is greenish -- it's best feature is messed up

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I was only demonstrating that it is possible through third-party applications to make changes to it. I'm surprised nobody has and actually I'm thinking about it. Cool to know that there's a jailbreak break version that will.
 

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I compared my iPad 2 and iPad 3 playing the same 720p video simultaneously and side by side last night. In scene after scene, I strongly perceived my iPad 2 as having better picture quality (at 720p, the resolution didn't matter).

The colors seemed true and natural and realistic on the iPad 2. They seemed unnatural on the iPad 3. How utterly disappointing! I was biased to want to be favorably impressed by the iPad 3 and the 2 had the significantly better display.

What was going on? The iPad 3 colors were too greenish. If we had an advanced display setting (of course Apple won't allow that), I'd be looking to shift the hue over to the red a bit and away from the green.

How bad is it? Am I some overly critical videophile? It's bad and no, I don't think so. The major selling point of the iPad 3 is the retina display. The trade-off is cost (for those replacing their older iPad) extra weight, thicker size, and slower battery charging. And what is gained? Regarding color fidelity, the display is seriously flawed and there's no setting to be changed.

On certain scenes (various videos) faces and hair have a greenish cast. Once noticed, it's obvious and annoying. Grass looks cartoonish with a neon glow, while it appears completely natural on the iPad 2 -- this is the easiest test. Water appears greenish, not blue. It's very evident.

I did a google and found this, so I'm not alone:
Falk Lumo: Apple iPad 3: A first screen evaluation

I suppose Apple could fix this with an upgrade. But, it's not even an acknowledged problem. I don't know, but I guess it's just a bad setting choice and affects all 3's. If so, didn't anyone test this? I noticed right away.

As things stand -- I'm just digesting this disappointing discovery -- I see no sense in keeping my iPad 3 with an overall worse display. Crisp text is good, but video is where it should wow and it doesn't... it uggs instead.


Here, this is a link Edited by Moderator - link removed, see Admin/Moderator posts later in this thread that will help you find out which week of production your iPad-3 has come out of. Can you please put your week of production so that others can understand which week Production Batch is having this problem of yellow Hue. Same applies for people having a Backlight Bleeding problem, please post your week of production.

Also you can have a look at this link Edited by Moderator - link to external forum removed people have reported here on which week has maximum Hue

Apparently the following weeks have a Hue Problem :

week-3
week-6
week-5
week-1
week-10
week-7
week-9
 
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I compared my iPad 2 and iPad 3 playing the same 720p video simultaneously and side by side last night. In scene after scene, I strongly perceived my iPad 2 as having better picture quality (at 720p, the resolution didn't matter).

The colors seemed true and natural and realistic on the iPad 2. They seemed unnatural on the iPad 3. How utterly disappointing! I was biased to want to be favorably impressed by the iPad 3 and the 2 had the significantly better display.

What was going on? The iPad 3 colors were too greenish. If we had an advanced display setting (of course Apple won't allow that), I'd be looking to shift the hue over to the red a bit and away from the green.

How bad is it? Am I some overly critical videophile? It's bad and no, I don't think so. The major selling point of the iPad 3 is the retina display. The trade-off is cost (for those replacing their older iPad) extra weight, thicker size, and slower battery charging. And what is gained? Regarding color fidelity, the display is seriously flawed and there's no setting to be changed.

On certain scenes (various videos) faces and hair have a greenish cast. Once noticed, it's obvious and annoying. Grass looks cartoonish with a neon glow, while it appears completely natural on the iPad 2 -- this is the easiest test. Water appears greenish, not blue. It's very evident.

I did a google and found this, so I'm not alone:
Falk Lumo: Apple iPad 3: A first screen evaluation

I suppose Apple could fix this with an upgrade. But, it's not even an acknowledged problem. I don't know, but I guess it's just a bad setting choice and affects all 3's. If so, didn't anyone test this? I noticed right away.

As things stand -- I'm just digesting this disappointing discovery -- I see no sense in keeping my iPad 3 with an overall worse display. Crisp text is good, but video is where it should wow and it doesn't... it uggs instead.


Mine does not have green tint. All HD video plays flawlessly. Don't know what you're talking about. Get it replaced.
 

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Apparently the following weeks have a Hue Problem :

week-3
week-6
week-5
week-1
week-10
week-7
week-9

Ooh, hate to disagree again mate, but if you read some of the forumposts on Macrumors link you included, there is a lot of disagreement - with many saying I have one from week x on the list, yet I don't have any of those problems. Big question is how did they compile this list? It may be valid and more people in those weeks have a problem or may be complete gobledegook but we cannot know unless we know how the list was assembled. As one poster in the forums stated - there are many assembly lines, it does not seem logical that you can tell from the serial number which ones had issues especially when there are posts about people with units from those weeks that report having no issues on the forum.
 

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Please do not post links that are not verified or from other forums that frankly can be garbage

We are not going to accept any post that are ....I said they said type discussions as they are not in the forums best interest.

Production dates etc make no sense as no one has any concept or understanding how many production lines are in fact used during the final production for any Apple products. We ask you to please read our rules about linking and understand we will inforce them.

Thank you in advance
 

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This is a excerpt from one of the Tech Sites that I came across...Since I could not give a direct link :p

"It seems that a screen problem that Apple has had previously with the iPad and the iPhone is back to plague some new iPad owners - a yellowish hue on the otherwise gorgeous Retina display screen.

The problem isn’t a new one, and has previously been put down to the organo-functional Silane Z-6011 adhesive used to bond the layers of glass together in the screen not being given enough time to evaporate. This is partly due to Apple stepping up the production of the panels to accommodate the high level of demand for the device. If this is the same problem as previously, the yellow hue will vanish in a week or so as the solvent fully evaporates.


I had the chance to see a new iPad suffering from this problem today, and it’s certainly a distracting issue. Rather than the brilliant white that I would expect from such a panel, the white is transformed into a warm shade of yellow. It can induce eyestrain quickly because you need to keep the backlight on at a higher than required setting to compensate for the darker screen.


If you’ve got a new iPad you can easily check for the yellowish tint by firing up the Safari browser or any other app with a white background. If the screen looks white near the middle, check around the edges for yellowing. If you’re impatient then Apple seems happy to exchange iPads suffering from this problem — assuming stock exists — but waiting a few days for the solvent to evaporate from the adhesive seems to fix the problem for most."
 

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augustya said:
Here, this is a link Edited by Moderator - link removed, see Admin/Moderator posts later in this thread that will help you find out which week of production your iPad-3 has come out of. Can you please put your week of production so that others can understand which week Production Batch is having this problem of yellow Hue. Same applies for people having a Backlight Bleeding problem, please post your week of production.

Also you can have a look at this link Edited by Moderator - link to external forum removed people have reported here on which week has maximum Hue

Apparently the following weeks have a Hue Problem :

week-3
week-6
week-5
week-1
week-10
week-7
week-9

As per post above, please consider what you are linking to when making posts.

We have 180,000+ members here. If issues arise then they will get reported here so there is no reason to link to other forums. In addition, it is clear that there is no correlation between batches and screen issues currently (as the weeks listed had both good and bad results reported), if such correlation appears it will get reported here. If you have a fault then Apple will replace, this has been reported many times here so there really is no need to worry.

If Apple has a problem with their products then we are definitely not here to cover it up but by the same token we are not here to make mountains out of molehills.

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Thanks for all the posts and I've read them all.

I made some new observations yesterday that may change everything (at least regarding my iPad 3 and maybe all in general). I compared my iPad 2, iPad 3, Laptop, and Sony HDTV using test patterns and videos. I have an Apple TV, so I played the videos on the TV through iTunes or by mirroring my iPad 2 or 3.

Well... my iPad 3's display closely matched my Sony HDTV. That was a surprise. The iPad 2's display was off. However, the iPad 2 closely matched the laptop. So, iPad 3 = Sony HDTV; iPad 2 = Laptop.

Example: the iPad iBooks app showing an empty bookcase. This is bright on the iPad 3, and darker-orangish on the iPad 2. I mirrored both from the iPad 2 and 3 to my Sony TV (to eliminate any source difference -- there was none). Which would it most closely match? The iPad 3 -- almost exactly. And the iPad 2? Not even close.

The same result occurred with ocean scenes and grass scenes and test images: my Sony HDTV more closely matched my iPad 3 (in all cases) rather than the 2. With most scenes and most colors, there was little if any difference between the iPad 2 or 3 or the Sony TV. A noticeable difference mostly occurred with shades of blue.

An easy comparison test for the iPad 2 and 3: the Yahoo logo (more violet? on the 3); craigslist (the blue links are a deeper indigo on the 3 -- some have called it purple but it's not quite that much on mine-- and more of a baby, pale, blue on the 2).

If I get a chance to get to an Apple store to compare, I'll try to bring up Yahoo and craigslist and the iBooks app's bookshelf.

So, the above observations change everything! If my iPad 3 has a bad display, so does my Sony HDTV -- which I've long appreciated for its pq. The Sony HDTV has it's hue set to 0 (neither red nor green shifted). And, I've changed the color temp from neutral to warm to cool with not that much of a difference: the iPad 3 still is the better match.

Yet, my laptop more close matches my iPad 2.

For now, I have no intention of returning my iPad 3. In fact, watching a high resolution video last night, its display was stunning and had that "wow" effect (like I had when I first got my Sony HDTV a few years ago). Whites are very bright and white and colors are rich across the spectrum. I don't think there's anything wrong with my iPad 3 display. It (and my HDTV) just have a subtle color difference with my iPad 2 (and laptop). As reported elsewhere, it may well be that the iPad 3's colors are the more accurate. I consider my Sony HDTV as a better reference standard than my laptop.
 

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Well I can say is that from your observations that all of your displays are probably off to some degree. Which one is actually closest to correct is your guess.

I'll break out my color analyzer here in the next week or so and let everyone know what I find out about my iPad 3. But after 30 years of dealing with video displays I can guarantee you that no two TVs, no two laptops, no two LCD screens come out of the factory alike.
 

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But after 30 years of dealing with video displays I can guarantee you that no two TVs, no two laptops, no two LCD screens come out of the factory alike.

Good to know that. I came to that conclusion with my devices and from seeing screens in stores over the years.

I like my screeners warmer, so what's a defect to some users actually works for me.
 

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Thanks for all the posts and I've read them all.

I made some new observations yesterday that may change everything (at least regarding my iPad 3 and maybe all in general). I compared my iPad 2, iPad 3, Laptop, and Sony HDTV using test patterns and videos. I have an Apple TV, so I played the videos on the TV through iTunes or by mirroring my iPad 2 or 3.

Well... my iPad 3's display closely matched my Sony HDTV. That was a surprise. The iPad 2's display was off. However, the iPad 2 closely matched the laptop. So, iPad 3 = Sony HDTV; iPad 2 = Laptop.

Example: the iPad iBooks app showing an empty bookcase. This is bright on the iPad 3, and darker-orangish on the iPad 2. I mirrored both from the iPad 2 and 3 to my Sony TV (to eliminate any source difference -- there was none). Which would it most closely match? The iPad 3 -- almost exactly. And the iPad 2? Not even close.

The same result occurred with ocean scenes and grass scenes and test images: my Sony HDTV more closely matched my iPad 3 (in all cases) rather than the 2. With most scenes and most colors, there was little if any difference between the iPad 2 or 3 or the Sony TV. A noticeable difference mostly occurred with shades of blue.

An easy comparison test for the iPad 2 and 3: the Yahoo logo (more violet? on the 3); craigslist (the blue links are a deeper indigo on the 3 -- some have called it purple but it's not quite that much on mine-- and more of a baby, pale, blue on the 2).

If I get a chance to get to an Apple store to compare, I'll try to bring up Yahoo and craigslist and the iBooks app's bookshelf.

So, the above observations change everything! If my iPad 3 has a bad display, so does my Sony HDTV -- which I've long appreciated for its pq. The Sony HDTV has it's hue set to 0 (neither red nor green shifted). And, I've changed the color temp from neutral to warm to cool with not that much of a difference: the iPad 3 still is the better match.

Yet, my laptop more close matches my iPad 2.

For now, I have no intention of returning my iPad 3. In fact, watching a high resolution video last night, its display was stunning and had that "wow" effect (like I had when I first got my Sony HDTV a few years ago). Whites are very bright and white and colors are rich across the spectrum. I don't think there's anything wrong with my iPad 3 display. It (and my HDTV) just have a subtle color difference with my iPad 2 (and laptop). As reported elsewhere, it may well be that the iPad 3's colors are the more accurate. I consider my Sony HDTV as a better reference standard than my laptop.

Very nice work! Thanks for posting what you found.
 

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This pic is my iPad "3" on the left and my old iPad 2 on the right, have to say I'm less than impressed with the "whites".
 

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peejay1977 said:
<img src="http://www.ipadforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=12023"/>

This pic is my iPad "3" on the left and my old iPad 2 on the right, have to say I'm less than impressed with the "whites".

Well both are not accurate. The 3 is yellowish and the 2 is pinkish, but it is the closest. Of coarse I am observing on an un-calibrated iPad 3 display. Doh!
 
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Thanks AQ_OC & Paul -- look forward to a color analysis.

@peejay -- your photo does show a yellowish white. The white's on my iPad 3 are pure white and bright. I just compared with my 2 with both on full brightness. My 3 is a purer white while my 2 has a very slight violet or pinkish hue which makes it seem just a bit dingier. Huh... interesting how things have turned around in favor of the 3. Another quick observation... the 2's screen was uncomfortably blurry a moment ago... I wouldn't want to look at small text on it for too long. I'm already spoiled by the retina display.

I did have my screen set on a white photo on 100% brightness as it charged for much of the day yesterday. I'm not sure if that had an effect or if I ever had a yellow issue. I had noticed a green and blue shade difference from videos. And now I think this is just a difference and not a flaw (maybe even a better color fidelity).

Try running your screen bright and see if your white's get better. Also, compare the blue links on Craigslist.
 

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