Big Business - game discussion

[GAB IV]

Only in acheivements, only in acheivements.

What can I say I spent nearly 2 hours commuting on trains 5 days a week, got to do something. Thats usually when i work on acheivements.

I have a number of things i think i need for the game though like a 4th warehouse, but that costs 1.5mil or rather 1.35mil as i have a 10% discount thing i am waiting to use on that, and im currently finding it hard to save up for that... i keep purchasing land and new buildings... ah well.

Really that long of a commute? That's awful! That's like working 10 hr days. Is this temporary, or is this the norm for you? You should fix that.

I see why you have an iPad. I'd watch movies and shows.

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[kelB]

You are right so far - this is the profit for the entire chain. But, this is not what you dairy plant delivers. The profit you get from upgrading the milk to cheese is simply not worth it.
You show me just one serious economist who would agree with you here. You need to look at valueadd.

It's not about what is worth it, you were trying to tell us it was the sale price of the milk not production and you were wrong.

And let's face it profit off 2 milk is only 320 ( off top of my head) compared to the 535 if you combine to make cheese.

Yes it takes longer but as the saying goes "speculate to accumulate"

 

[lavamad]

Really that long of a commute? That's awful! That's like working 10 hr days. Is this temporary, or is this the norm for you? You should fix that.

I see why you have an iPad. I'd watch movies and shows.

[ city name: Sprawlville level 50 player: GAB IV from western mass USA need free gifts ]

Well 1 hour to work 1 hour back... but yea everyday thats the norm, unless the put me in the other office which is further away but when that happens I crash at my brothers.

As for fixing that, I'm working on it. I currently live at home with the parents so I only pay for food and contribute to the bills etc, so my "rent" here is much much lower than I could possibly get it anywhere else in London.

I'm saving like crazy, i try to save about 1/3 to 1/2 of my salary every month, but sometimes its just not happening since I buy stuf like my ipad... I paid for my holiday last month and I might need a new PC soon since my one has had to be fixed 5 times in the last couple of months (for free by my brother) but i've had it for nearly 7 years so i think its almost time.

 

[Havingfun99]

It's not about what is worth it, you were trying to tell us it was the sale price of the milk not production and you were wrong.

And let's face it profit off 2 milk is only 320 ( off top of my head) compared to the 535 if you combine to make cheese.

Yes it takes longer but as the saying goes "speculate to accumulate"

Kel, the point is in the valueadd - a dairy does not add a lot of value. Try the math.
I do this for a living.

 

[lavamad]

You are right so far - this is the profit for the entire chain. But, this is not what you dairy plant delivers. The profit you get from upgrading the milk to cheese is simply not worth it.
You show me just one serious economist who would agree with you here. You need to look at valueadd.

I apologise if the below is wrong - its been a while since i visited the subject

If we are thinking about the real work think about the below. An proper economist wouldn't look at the profit exacted by each product without looking at the demand in the market, thats just plain stupid as you can't make as much as you want and expect it to be bought if the demand isn't there.

Each factory has a maxium output of product A - if this maximum output is produced ona daily basis but the demand lower than output you'll have a certain amount of wastage everyday which costs the company money. HOWEVER, if your company produces product B which requries product A, it can use the excess of product A at its cost - i.e it doesn't have to go to the market to get it at a higher price - and there is no detrimental effect to the companies profit

And who the heck has the time to sit there producing milk endlessly, especially if there are other factories which require the products of the ranch.

 

[SummerNight]

You are right so far - this is the profit for the entire chain. But, this is not what you dairy plant delivers. The profit you get from upgrading the milk to cheese is simply not worth it.
You show me just one serious economist who would agree with you here. You need to look at valueadd.

I don't believe I have ever argued the point you are trying to make about upgrading milk to cheese.
Also, why do we even need serious economists here? We are not taking into consideration the cost of trucks, buildings and upgrades (including garage upgrades). Also, in real world or in a less simplistic sim you will also have to think about taxes, wages and cost of repairs. Let alone price fluctuations. None of this matters in BB. It is a very simple, straightforward game you play lying on your couch while watching TV.

{Summerville; the head honcho - Elloriana, need hammers and drills}

 

[kelB]

Kel, the point is in the valueadd - a dairy does not add a lot of value. Try the math.
I do this for a living.

Doesn't add a lot of value but adds value all the same. This isn't real life business and I don't have to buy milk from the ranch at a higher cost as the ranch doesn't need to make profit at my expense... I own the ranch and the dairy so I'm using my own resources to make something better from something small... And profiting... As the figures shows

(Big Business Game App - Player Name: Beaneys / City Name: kêl)

 

[lavamad]

I don't believe I have ever argued the point you are trying to make about upgrading milk to cheese.
Also, why do we even need serious economists here? We are not taking into consideration the cost of trucks, buildings and upgrades (including garage upgrades). Also, in real world or in a less simplistic sim you will also have to think about taxes, wages and cost of repairs. Let alone price fluctuations. None of this matters in BB. It is a very simple, straightforward game you play lying on your couch while watching TV.

{Summerville; the head honcho - Elloriana, need hammers and drills}

Because we obviously don't have anything better to do - or like me are avoiding doing something

But you're right in the real world we have to consider costs of upgrades vechiles, drivers etc.

Then again, who doesn't love a good debate?

 

[Havingfun99]

I apologise if the below is wrong - its been a while since i visited the subject

If we are thinking about the real work think about the below. An proper economist wouldn't look at the profit exacted by each product without looking at the demand in the market, thats just plain stupid as you can't make as much as you want and expect it to be bought if the demand isn't there.

Each factory has a maxium output of product A - if this maximum output is produced ona daily basis but the demand lower than output you'll have a certain amount of wastage everyday which costs the company money. HOWEVER, if your company produces product B which requries product A, it can use the excess of product A at its cost - i.e it doesn't have to go to the market to get it at a higher price - and there is no detrimental effect to the companies profit

And who the heck has the time to sit there producing milk endlessly, especially if there are other factories which require the products of the ranch.

Well - here you have an endless market, where demand is endless and you can sell all you want at a given price.

And agree, you do not have that time - but my point is if you calculate the profit for the entire valuechain to decide what you should produce, you most likely will end up taking the wrong decission. You need to optimize the valueadd in each unit to get to the most optimal mix - in this game obviously also taking into consoderation how often you check up - there is a reason I prefer buses instead of taxis.

 

[kelB]

Well - here you have an endless market, where demand is endless and you can sell all you want at a given price.

And agree, you do not have that time - but my point is if you calculate the profit for the entire valuechain to decide what you should produce, you most likely will end up taking the wrong decission. You need to optimize the valueadd in each unit to get to the most optimal mix - in this game obviously also taking into consoderation how often you check up - there is a reason I prefer buses instead of taxis.

No disrespect but you are shifting your whole side of this discussion, you claimed in previous posts we had calculations wrong and we should be calculating milk as a sale price when in fact it should be production cost when added to make cheese etc etc etc

Now your talking about what's best to produce taking into consideration all types of scenarios of trucks etc etc... We all know that to produce milk every 2 mins and selling it you stand to make a profit of 160 per batch and over and hour that's 4800 but being realistic, concentrating on the short term production although can be profitable, takes up valuable time and efforts could be put elsewhere.. Like 15 min cheese production or 30 mins cottage cheese productions..

If we were making milk every 2 mins how would we find the time to come debate the world of Big Business on here just not realistic lol

(Big Business Game App - Player Name: Beaneys / City Name: kêl)

 

[Havingfun99]

No disrespect but you are shifting your whole side of this discussion, you claimed in previous posts we had calculations wrong and we should be calculating milk as a sale price when in fact it should be production cost when added to make cheese etc etc etc

Now your talking about what's best to produce taking into consideration all types of scenarios of trucks etc etc... We all know that to produce milk every 2 mins and selling it you stand to make a profit of 160 per batch and over and hour that's 4800 but being realistic, concentrating on the short term production although can be profitable, takes up valuable time and efforts could be put elsewhere.. Like 15 min cheese production or 30 mins cottage cheese productions..

If we were making milk every 2 mins how would we find the time to come debate the world of Big Business on here just not realistic lol

(Big Business Game App - Player Name: Beaneys / City Name: kêl)

Kel, I have always talked about the valueadd.
You have the profit from the cheese you state, but your dairy is making a small and almost no part of that. Hence using the dairy factory and or trucks for that is not good value for money. This is where valueadd comes into the picture.

What I have tried is to illustrate it for you in different ways - sorry if you do not get it, guess we will both survive that.

Back to enjoying the game - we all have our strategies, though some more efficient than others.

 

[SummerNight]

Someone mentioned supply/demand. I don't think anyone here played Patrician (there are several games in the series), which is the Hanseatic League trading sim. In the course of the game you can eliminate a rival by overproducing something and thus driving prices down. After a while your rival can go out of business and you have a chance to buy his facilities cheap. You can also buy and hoard goods. That would eventually drive up demand for these goods. Prices skyrocket and voila, you become rich overnight.

{Summerville; the head honcho - Elloriana, need hammers and drills}

 

[Havingfun99]

Someone mentioned supply/demand. I don't think anyone here played Patrician (there are several games in the series), which is the Hanseatic League trading sim. In the course of the game you can eliminate a rival by overproducing something and thus driving prices down. After a while your rival can go out of business and you have a chance to buy his facilities cheap. You can also buy and hoard goods. That would eventually drive up demand for these goods. Prices skyrocket and voila, you become rich overnight.

{Summerville; the head honcho - Elloriana, need hammers and drills}

Patrician is a great game. Long live the Hanse.

 

[jekstrom]

I found one pair, the safety ones. But still lost the Rx glasses that turn dark in the sun. Ergo losing sight of the ball in the sun, whilst bonking my head. Didn't you leave yet for vacation? Shhh. Don't tell summer but I just made the 666 achievement. And the 80% achievement at the same time. That added 27 credits to my loot making over 50. Is there a way to buy 7 eggs with 50 credits?. Anyone?

[ city name: Sprawlville level 50 player: GAB IV from western mass USA need free gifts ]

Congrats on 80 percent. We leave tomorrow morning. Betty saw ken w. in kohls yesterday. Hope your head didn't bruise.

 

[Racket]

I'm going to jump in and agree with whoever said that the CC produces 5860 profit an hour, based on actual cost only.

I have if anyone is interested an excel spreadsheet (I was bored and interested in what makes the most moula) which calculates the actual profit after costs for nearly every product. THe ones that aren't on the sheet are ones which i don't have access to at the present moment.

I am very interested in your sheet. I have often thought that I should do the same, but have never had the time (students and family are cramping my game play! Haha) Also, I thought that when an Italian horse and donkey have a baby it was called a moula. Get it? (Told to me by an Italian...)