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Disappointed with the discrimination by apple.

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Australia will not have turn by turn on release of io6. It Is not discrimination at all the reason is the mapping system is not complete and that could be for many reasons. Apple will imliment it in a later release so I suggest be patient.
 

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Canada should get it early. Drive 700 kilometers. Turn left. Drive another 300 kilometers. You've arrived at your destination.

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Well I understand ur logic of profitability for the company.but this is the logic of the consumer . I paid the same amount of money and just because of my ethnicity is different I shouldnt get the essential features. Hey I'm not complaining about not getting the 3d view or even voice guided navigation. Just the basic direction queries! If u think that is too much of a demand well...
And another thing...if google can do it why can't apple?same principle applies to both companies in developing the maps right?the cars and per capita and all.
I was using the turn by turn voice guided feature of google maps in Samsung galaxy ace today when I had to go to an unknown place.thats a midrange stuff.
And i own an iPad and to know if I upgrade to ios6 I'll lose even the basic direction queries which will make the gps useless...and people here are justifying the company in taking such a decision when it's rival if offering same features plus more even in lowend devices!!!
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Google has been doing mapping for years and you don't imagine that Google started by mapping the whole world in one go?

Ethnicity doesn't matter here. If ethnicity were key to business, with all the Indian IT people in India and throughout the world, India would be among the first mapped.

It does suck that we're losing functionality because Apple is trying to establish its beachhead, but that has nothing to do with discrimination. That's Apple putting its interest ahead of customers so it can stake a claim. All customers who like Google maps, no matter their ethnicity, will get hurt in that process. Personally, I like Google maps, and I'm in the U.S.
 

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Apple will have to come up with something pretty spectacular to compete with this. Take it from me, as a professional driver, this thing is accurate. Here's the run I'm going to do tomorrow.



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I can legally drive 13 hours a day, so looking at what Google Maps has provided, I know I can't hang around. One way or another, I have to shave 10 minutes off the trip. And if anyone thought I was joking in my earlier post, here are the turn by turn directions.



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I have the greatest confidence in Apple to eventually come up with something as good as this. I just hope we don't have to wait too long.
 

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Not a chance I'm afraid.

That was my assumption, as well.

I paid the same amount of money and just because of my ethnicity is different I shouldnt get the essential features.

I agree with the others...this has nothing to do with ethnicity.

And i own an iPad and to know if I upgrade to ios6 I'll lose even the basic direction queries which will make the gps useless
you will still have other mapping apps you can load. You will NOT loose any capability.
 
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Google has been doing mapping for years and you don't imagine that Google started by mapping the whole world in one go?

Ethnicity doesn't matter here. If ethnicity were key to business, with all the Indian IT people in India and throughout the world, India would be among the first mapped.

It does suck that we're losing functionality because Apple is trying to establish its beachhead, but that has nothing to do with discrimination. That's Apple putting its interest ahead of customers so it can stake a claim. All customers who like Google maps, no matter their ethnicity, will get hurt in that process. Personally, I like Google maps, and I'm in the U.S.

Well u have said it ur self . Apple putting its interest ahead of customers. Nothing wrong with that really but when ur customers are at a great disadvantage when ur doing that it's plain wrong.
I don't know if google made its maps in one go. But years back when my brother got his first eclair android phone it had all the features available .nothing cutback because there was no market here.and it had a good gps by that days standard and yeah u could use it in India. And the phone had what ever android market offered.what I'm saying is he paid money he got what ever features those who stayed in Europe got.and I was using my n95(by then old) then which too had none of its features cutback.im not talking here about gps only but the whole device and the software features.
Now let me say about my iPad .i was super excited that I finally got an apple product.and then I started checking out the features available .
ITunes : was barebones.just some old keynotes. Ok well it may be only for Europe there may be some features cutoff .
iBooks :damn nothing on here.just some old classics that too nothing noteworthy.reading was one my main priority when I bought this. I thought yeah ok forget it I'll download kindle app and use that content.everything is there though the UI is not as good as iBooks.
Well the device is really good.i was happy.
And when I read I won't get Siri in ios6 I didn't have much complaints.i didn't buy ipad2 expecting to get Siri in the future
The thing is I'm losing an existing feature from iPad which is critical to my use.Ur losing an existing feature if u update.
That puts the customer at a serious disadvantage. If that attitude by a company is fair and u guys think it's fair there is nothing left to say.
And in other platforms windows:I wanted to buy a windows phone and probably will when new lumias come out.
Windows 7.5 had full bing maps (I'm not talking about Nokia maps which is integrated in win8 but bing maps).it was a decent mapping system and that was first version of a REAL windows smartphone.and windows didn't hold back any features here.
What I'm saying is there is only so much u can compromise when ur paying ur hard earned money.when ur paying same money and ur getting only half stuff. While the other platforms are not holding back anything(I'm not talking about only gps here) I think it's really unfair to customers.and when ur taking away even the existing features that's doubly unfair.
And if u guys think it's ok of apple to do it when no other platforms are doing that well let it be.
 

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What I'm saying is there is only so much u can compromise when ur paying ur hard earned money.when ur paying same money and ur getting only half stuff. While the other platforms are not holding back anything(I'm not talking about only gps here) I think it's really unfair to customers.and when ur taking away even the existing features that's doubly unfair.
And if u guys think it's ok of apple to do it when no other platforms are doing that well let it be.

I've been keeping an eye on what Apple takes away as well. I'd previously mentioned that on another thread.

For me, Google street view matters. In-app purchases of books mattered, and Apple led to that disappearing when it initiated a 30 percent commission, even though it could have negotiated something more reasonable and preserved functionality for customers. Apple also messed up podcast and audiobook use when it changed its music app, so I bought an app to replace features that Apple took away. For other users, the dropping of native YouTube support might matter. Then there's the latest move to the new nine-pin connector, which will leave some customers with accessories (docks, speakers, etc.) that can't make the jump, even with a new $29 adapter that it costs nowhere near that for Apple to produce.

It boils down to Apple putting itself first in each case, IMO, rather than customers. I don't think Apple is discriminatory, though. It will do what serves Apple best, when it suits Apple, without regard to users' country or ethnicity. So that's where you and I disagree.

Where we agree: Every customer must decide for himself whether the tradeoffs of sticking with Apple are worth it.

At this point, considering the steps that Apple has taken, I figure its moves are sort of like putting a frog in a pot of water and gradually turn up the temperature. Maybe some frogs will stay in the pot, and others won't like the temperature and hop out. Maybe that's you.

Personally, I'm platform agnostic, and I already use a mix of iOS, Android and Windows. I'll buy whatever hardware works best for me at a given time, and am open to switching brands. I buy all my content so that I can easily take everything but apps with me if I switch, which is why I don't buy iBooks or iTunes movies. I've already got my second Kindle Fire ordered, I use a Samsung as my primary phone, and I'm leaning toward something non-Apple when I buy my next full-size tablet. In the longer run, I expect I will abandon Apple, because it puts its priorities ahead of customers'.
 
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Well the way things are going i guess I'll be a frog which hops out...I have never been loyal to any brand just because it's ur hard earned money and u got to spend it on the best product. But the fact is iPad still is the best tablet on market.android has a lot of catching up to
Do.but it's inevitable they will catch up like they did with mobiles.but if google doesn't release their own app for ios in maps I'll be forced to make a compromise and make a jump earlier just coz gps is integral for me.
Btw from ur posts it seems u own a lot of devices and I'm curious if u checked on win 8 ...I would like to know ur opinion on it :p
 

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Well the way things are going i guess I'll be a frog which hops out...I have never been loyal to any brand just because it's ur hard earned money and u got to spend it on the best product. But the fact is iPad still is the best tablet on market.android has a lot of catching up to

You said it. That's the prob: Competitors can't seem to get it together enough to give Apple a hard run for its money. And with so much momentum on Apple's side, apps and other content are going to be very hard to catch up with on other platforms.

That said, most of the stuff I want to do is already accessible on rival tablets. I haven't cut the cord from Apple because my iPad 1 and 2 still do what I need, mostly, and I already own iPhone 4S and touch 4. But I want to more easily load non-iTunes content like movies and use SD cards, so I'm leaning toward a non-iPad for my next full-size tablet. I'm considering a Samsung partly because my Galaxy Note has been a great device.

I've also got my eye on Microsoft's Surface, but I'm reserving judgment till they start selling them. I live about 10 minutes from a Microsoft store, so I should be easily able to kick the tires on one, since they're supposed to sell them through stores only. The Win 8 version won't start selling till first quarter next year, though. They just announced that they're going to give every MS employee one, so I guess they're not even available internally yet, at least on that scale. The specs I've read about look good, but hardware is nothing without good access to content, at least for me.

I'm looking forward to trying out my Kindle Fire HD, but it's still two months from being delivered. Ages.
 

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I understand that there is, or soon will be, a google maps app available for IOS6. If the new apple maps does not include the mapping data needed, I would try another.

Hopefully, we can remove the apple maps app from the device if we find we don't like it.


Yes I agree with your views...This is exactly one and only which was on my mind. Really appreciate to you...
Keep it up.
 
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In most cases, Apple will delete an in-house app, if there is a better solution elsewhere. I do not like the mapping function provided by Google. I have the TomTom and Garmin (Navigon) apps which I use extensively. As I understand it, the new Apple mapping program is being done with help from TomTom. That may interest me, but do not expect too much from any mapping program. Every government has restrictions on what can and cannnot be done with mapping.
 

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In most cases, Apple will delete an in-house app, if there is a better solution elsewhere. I do not like the mapping function provided by Google. I have the TomTom and Garmin (Navigon) apps which I use extensively. As I understand it, the new Apple mapping program is being done with help from TomTom. That may interest me, but do not expect too much from any mapping program. Every government has restrictions on what can and cannnot be done with mapping.

It's true that laws differ on mapping in different countries, but OP is saying that the mapping he wants is already available from other vendors, and it's a matter of Apple not offering matching services, at least not right now. So differing laws aren't part of his concerns.
 

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The real problem here is that Apple's mapping app is too new to have blanketed the whole world with turn by turn directions. The OP was complaining about their lack in his first post.
 
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The real problem here is that Apple's mapping app is too new to have blanketed the whole world with turn by turn directions. The OP was complaining about their lack in his first post.

For some users, the prob is that Apple is replacing an existing feature with a lesser one.

Personally, it's not like I'd expect Apple to blanket the world with turn by turn directions. I'd just like to keep existing functionality. A new feature like flyover might sound nifty, but is useless to me when I'm driving down a street looking for an unfamiliar building, for instance. As another poster said, it's not like we're superheroes flying around and navigating by looking at the tops of buildings, lol.
 

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You have to understand why Apple dropped Google for many things. Steve Jobs befriended the founder of Google, put him on the board, and mentored him. Jobs was repaid by Google using their inside knowledge to undercut Apple by bringing out Android after promising not to compete with Apple products. This happened to Jobs on more than one product. Enough so, that when the iPad was developed, Google was locked out of discussions. The dropping of Google maps is one of the last vestiges of the old agreements with them. Apple does not plan on locking out Google, but will never give them any advantages over their competitors.
 

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