Why Not To Jailbreak..or Why You Should JB..

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    Why Not To JB..

    Your risk a vulnerable os, susceptible to virus attacks or worms..

    You may get corrupt data thru one of the apps you dl that may corrupt the system..

    You void warranty from Apple (but you can always downgrade and restore)

    The apps available are great, but don't go thru rigorous testing that Apple puts the apps thru before approving..

    Your iPad may just stop working suddenly, and don't go crying to Apple if this happens..

    Apple provides somewhat of a virtual gate with their firmware upgrades, you don't have this benefit when you jb..



    Why You Should Jailbreak..

    Great apps available..

    Can do things that normal iPad can't..

    The possibilities are endless..
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    Why Not To JB..
    Your risk a vulnerable os, susceptible to virus attacks or worms..
    You may get corrupt data thru one of the apps you dl that may corrupt the system..

    this is bogus fud. virus or worms on unix are much more difficult than the windows world, not likely weather an iphone,ipad,ipod or OS X

    For the really paranoid in the JB world you can install a program like firewall IP.

    " but don't go thru rigorous testing that Apple puts the apps thru before approving.." you have to be kidding, apple has QA news to most of the mac world.

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    Your iPad may just stop working suddenly, and don't go crying to Apple if this happens.." This just crap , I've been JB on my iphone since 1.1 and had a few apps crash but it never stopped working.
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    Your iPad ceasing up and becoming unusable due to a piece of software is impossible. All jail breaking does is gives you the ability to use your device as you use your computer. Just as you can't permanently lock up your computer with installed software, same goes for your idevice. If you screw up the os, reinstall it...done. If you somehow actually got a virus (not likely) restore it...done.

    Your iPad is a computer. It handles code exactly the same as your desktop computer. It is just a Linux build. Apple was nice enough tp provide us with a ghosting system that restores the iPad to where you left it off in case of emergency. Use it of you need to!
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    Jailbreaking is a security risk and should never be done to a device that contains info that is highly confidential.
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    Well ~ that settles if for me. I have lots of confidential info on mine pertaining to my clients.

    I never thought of that. Thanks Mike. I should put a password on it....
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    NOTHING is 100% secure. Jailbroken or not the risk remains the same.

    I just got my iPad....first thing I did was jailbreak it. I will NOT be held down by ANY company. :p
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    The risk is not the same, you giving all of the apps full access to your entire system.

    even apps that you download from the apple app store can (and some do) do things that it normally wouldn't or couldn't do before being jail broken.


    I have seen apps that are from the app store and once on a jail broken device do things like record personal info or even do distractive things like destroy the users contacts. The app could kill the OS forcing you to perform a restore.

    also many apps when installed will aslo install OpenSSH along with it. If openSSH gets installed and you don't change the default password, random people on the internet could easily gain full access to your device. Simply by scanning your carrier or ISP's IP range. Thats how the one worm/virus worked that would scan the cellphone carriers IP range for JB iphone and then install itself, tell you the device is hacked and demand money for instructions how to remove it. Another one like it places an image of Rick Roll on your iphone or iPads wallpaper.

    These things dont happen on none JB device.
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    If you know of such apps can you please tell us which ones so we can steer clear of them?
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    I must have JB for:
    1. Non-standard keyboard definition (some national characters are missing in apple original mapping).
    2. GPS. I have Wi-Fi version and external GPS receiver is connected via BTStack GPS (available in Cydia).
    3. Non-battery-sucking tethering on iphone (compared to MyWi). Now use iTether on iPad and standard iPhone bluetooth tethering.
    4. Third party dictionaries in iBooks (Oxford en-pl and Collins en-pl pl-en).
    5. FullForce - iPhone Apps in native iPad resolution. Much better than "2x" button.
    6. Openssh and unix command line tools.
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    Why not to JB?

    Some of the past few posts in the "iPad Hacking" section of this forum include:

    Jailbreaking problems

    respring putting 16 icons per screen instead of 20

    jailbreak error: "Version too old"

    Jailbroken iPad 3.2.1 can't install crack app

    Skype Backgrounding Issue on iPad 3.2.1

    Cydia update problem

    And these were taken from just the first page of the section. It just sounds like too much trouble to me.

    And if you still think JB is a good idea read this (it may change your mind): http://www.macstories.net/iphone/jailbreakme-the-good-the-bad-and-the-pointless/
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    Wow. OK, Where to start? Hmmmm
    1:"Your risk a vulnerable os, susceptible to virus attacks or worms.."

    This is is just not true. Plain and simple...If you wanna discuss APPLES security flaw concerning the . PDF exploit. The jailbreak community addressed & repaired this before apple & also offeres the repair for 1st & 2nd gen devisces that apples refuses to fix.

    2: "You may get corrupt data thru one of the apps you dl that may corrupt the system.."

    Well, that's like anything. If u just start touching the screen & installing things without doing a little research about the app & how it works than yeah, u could have issues. Nobodys fault but your own.

    3: "You void warranty from Apple"

    Non issue... Restore and you're all set.

    4: "The apps available are great, but don't go thru rigorous testing that Apple puts the apps thru before approving.."

    Maybe true in the beginning. But for the most part, all the must have jail broken apps ( and their Devs) have been around for a while now and are deff. Pretty stable. If there is a revision than maybe it best to sit back for a day or two & let the other guinea pigs try thing out first if you're worried about it.
    Second thing is that there are ALOT of other forums that seem to have more of a jailbreak fan base & issues with revisions new apps are brought to light pretty . (Thru real world testing;)).

    5: "Your iPad may just stop working suddenly, and don't go crying to Apple if this happens.."

    LOL............... What? Really? Never heard of anyone having this issue simply because of a jailbreak haha. Toooooo funny:)

    Aside from that my reasons to jailbreak both my Ip4 and Ipad are:
    1: root accses & IFile. Gives me the ability to access my system files & their directories just like on my comp. And make any mods. That I see fit. (Too many reasons to list how useful this is)
    2: True backgrounding/Multitasking.(Mostly just used on my Ipad tho) A must have.
    3: App folders (Ipad)
    4: Facetime over 3G (Ip4)
    5: Higher FaceTime Framerate
    6: Download any file directly to the device right from safari
    7: upload 720p video using the native methods without the device compressing them to a almost worthless resolution.
    8: Activator. personalize how I would like my screen to behave when I touch it.
    9: SBSettings. Never have to go into the settings menu just to do a basic function like change brightness, toggle ON/OFF bluetooth.
    10: Free tethering. NO, it's not stealing. I already pay AT&T for Data. I would pay for tethering but not at the cost of loosing my unlimited data.
    Screw em.
    11: I'm not real big into theming but it's nice to be able to change Icons and what not. (personally, I stay away from winterboard )
    12: Direct file exchange between my Ipad, Iphone, & Pc.
    13: Sync with ITunes over wifi (cable free)
    14: Veency. Control ANY of my Devices/PC with ANY of the other Devices/PC
    15: Added security. I like knowing that my root/ user password and login are changed. Just cause Apples, Apple doesn't mean anything. I don't trust anyone.
    16: You'll get to learn more about your devices, their real capabilities and limitations. For me that's half the fun of owning them.
    17: VM mod. Aren't you tired of safari reloading tabs every single time u switch pages, leave for a sec.?
    18: I could list more but.....
    I can't imagine using any of my apple devices without them being jail broken & set up the way I want. I don't even think I buy one if I knew It wasn't going to be able to be jailbroken.
    You just gain so much more functionality from them once you gain access to the filesystem and put in a little time to get to know what's what.

    You can always restore and yes. Sometimes there're bumps but they are usually my error. Either I was just careless or I was messing with things that I shouldn't be messing with lol.
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2010
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    "You void warranty from Apple"

    Non issue... Restore and you're all set."

    _____________________________________________________

    i actually mentioned that u can restore in my original thread...
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    CMB has the perfect answer. What he says is completely true and so does Ultrimate.

    As I said before.....Jailbreaking is about freedom.
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    But tings are so safe on de Apple Plantation, and Massa Jobs got all de magic we needs...;)
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    Do u know that if I jb I can dl files from the browser?
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    Ive been asking about security and privacy becuase im curious about trying JB the new ipad 2, that is because i have a feeling its safer then not jailbroken,

    Apple was recently sued over apps which use your location services, yet they want us to believe we need location services to use their new iMovie app, no one in our studios who has an iPad agreed to bother trying it, been said we work with artists and advertising agencies, even some agencies told us that they had employees sign confidential agreements to NOT use facebook or any gadgets inside their network., even Israel was confiscating iPads becuase they claimed that they had to investigate more on how the location services work as well as reception interference with their gear.

    The funniest part is when you ask about privacy on the apple discussions or mac rumors, you will get some real answers then all the sudden a apple troll comes out with the same Mark Zuckerberg question on what do you have to hide while there avatar claims they posted over 2600 times in almost 2 years, sounds krazy with a K.= to me

    I would love to know how safe one can make one's ipad JB, i hear some have more features as JB then not JB, please clear this up for me, i already paid for every app i just like to know if its safer period.
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    People giving jailbreak a bad wrap for no good well documented reason. I've been jail broken since last July when I first got July iPad. No issues. Instead it has made things a lot easier for me as I no longer need to sync to iTunes( with ifiles from Cydia) to install media, music, or whatever. Jail breaking makes the iPad more like am regular pc without the restrictions. I read more problems of people with stock iOS thn a jail broken one. Just research the apps u install from Cydia and ur good. Any system, whether jail broke or not, can be broken into. Remember nothing in life is guaranteed, iOS is just another example of that. Don't let jthe stigmas surrounding ail breaking scare u away from the endless,possibilities and ease of use thru jail breaking. Nits very easynand simple to do also. Download app to pc. Hook iPad up to pc. Run the app. Follow onscreen instructions and you are done. Way easier thn sync media/backup/restore thru iTunes. Also remember, untethered jailbreak is the route u want to take. Tethered methods SuX. With untethered, u jailbreak one time and u r done till next time u update iOS. Tethered means every time ur iPad reboots u need ur pc. No Tunis on that one..lol

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    I guess with the possibility to restore what can anyone have to lose, my concern is if you lose your rights to privacy, and I still would need to know how one can possibly seal any holes, I have read a few posts that gave me the impression that jail breaking is safer because their are apps just for jail broken phones and on the other hand I have heard that your vulnerable to all kinds of holes through the Internet or phone company if you use a sim card like I do outside.

    So what are the apps you can have that you can not with iTunes and what apps would you recommend to seal any security holes ?
    On my stock I have 1Password, all these private browsers but I doubt a ISP does not record all the sites one visits, even the latest firefox 4 states in the install that private browsing will not prevent the ISP from monitoring what web sites you visited, they want their cake too basically.
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    As far as apps the app store doesn't have is Ifiles. The real ifiles from the cydia store. You get Cydia once u jailbreak. Ifiles is the only true pc/Mac style file explorer for the iPad. It let's u go into the internal files and copy/cut/paste files wherever u see fit. For ex. Instead of needing iTunes to sync a movie or whatever to tom the iPad to view, u can download movie, then use ifiles to cut/paste the file into the media player of your choice to view. All within the iPad itself, no needing to connect to iTunes. Without ifiles, u have to download movie, then sync to itunesmwhich then syncs back the movie to the default media player or others. To many extra steps and hassle having to always need desktop iTunes to do things. Jailbreak allows u to do all of this without need of pc. Anywhere u want. The movies were just an example. All sorts of other types of files u can do the same with ifiles.
    As far as apps securing holes, don't know of any except firewall IP in Cydia store. I think as long as u don't download and install open ssh then ok. If u do, then change default password, alpine, to something else. With jailbreak u can add touch gestures to power off/respring/sleep/ reboot iPad without need of hardware buttons. So much more like BT stack to add BT mouse support for iPad n the list goes on and on.

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    VERY IMPRESSED just reading your post,

    You know what i think, and i work with advert clients, the name jail break sounds negative to begin with, degrading the fact that your simply UN-LOCKING a iPad, maybe just using the same name for unlocking phones makes more sense, but i guess if you say this it encourages people to NOT bother with the iTunes store.


    I cant scroll back up to read if i posted why apple got sued (been lazy and buzy), excuse me for repeating this but they basically where transmitting unique device ID (UDID) codes via apps, all controlled by Apple, is this still not solved, its like they release another app (iMovie for iPad) and never told us that in order for it to work you need to have your location services on, does iMovie exist via Cydia or on JB devices?

    Thanks again :)

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