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Possibility of other tablets running iOS apps

Discussion in 'iPad Hacking' started by jtrosky, Apr 25, 2011.

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    I'm curious - I'm wondering why we haven't seen other tablet devices (Android-based devices, for example) setup in a way where they can actually run iOS apps as well as their native apps.

    It would be huge for a competitor to have access to the iOS app library...

    I guess what I'm asking is if you think an Android device could eventually be setup to also run iOS apps with some sort of iOS emulator or something? I know it's not available right now, but just curious if it's even realistically (or legally) possible?

    Any thoughts?
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    Will not happen as Apple will not licence the iOS to other vendors it is that simple
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    What about a non-official way (in other words, illegally)? Not that I'm condoning that or anything, but again, I'm more interested in if it is technically possible (realistically)?

    If it is possible, I guess I'm just a little surprised that we haven't seen any sort of "underground" iOS-emulator that lets you run iOS apps, regardless of the legality of it...
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    No it is not possible
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    Just curious - WHY is in not possible? Because of the A5 architecture? Not trying to be difficult - just try to understand why it's not possible. I see emulators for other things, why not an iOS emulator?
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    Apple incroporates each app from the app store with a code. You authorize your iPad and apple checks to make sure those codes are matching with what you bought through iTunes and app store. Other operating systems don't get approval from apple, therefore the app won't run. (correct me if I am wrong)
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    Which is why said emulator would need to emulate a jailbroken ipad to use cydia ;)

    I would not call it impossible, just unlikely. And difficult. I would also like to add difficult. Maybe mix in a little bit of "not going to be as smooth so why bother".

    But, stranger things have happened.
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    I think the bottom line is it would be illegal guys. You would have to crack the apps DRM to run them on another device. It's almost unthinkable that a developer could code an IOS emu from scratch without using any Apple copyrighted code. Possible, but just far too challenging and time consuming a task.
    Nice idea though.
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    It just seems that other device makers are always getting the "yeah, but there are no apps yet!" line...

    Just think if they could say that their device will also run all iOS apps - it would be a HUGE win - I'm just a little surprised that someone hasn't come up with a way yet (even if it was just in the "underground"!).

    Oh well, it was nice to dream for a while...
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    That pretty much sums it up. :)
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    If anything I'd rather have another OS work on this iPad hardware. Most other devices are built cheaply and not to last whereas I see my iPad lasting as long as I decide to keep it except maybe the battery, which is touted to last 1000 charge cycles vs most others stating 500 charge cycles before needing to be replaced.


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    Thats what I was thinking. How about iPad dual booting iOS and android. I know that project died a long time ago....
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    I think the challenge is always developing relible high performance hardware device drivers for another OS. Again, your be amazed how challenging this is, particularly now Apple is doing it's own flavour of chips which android doesnt run natively on. Every Android release and every iPad hardware generation would require so much painstaking work, it becomes impractical. By the time you got it stable and performant Android would probably have moved on 1 or 2 signifcant releases at least...
    Just my thoughts...
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    Or how about another manufacturer building with the quality Apple does. If you look at Apple profits they do PRETTY well without cutting corners on their cabinets, screens, buttons, etc. I'm not even talking about the insides.

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    Here's a new one - what would happen if Apple started to license iOS to other tablet developers? I don't know - I have a feeling that if Apple did that, most vendors would be running iOS on their tables and Apple would have even more market domination.

    Actually, that's just how Apple screwed themselves before, right? They only license their OS to run on their MAC hardware. Meanwhile, Microsoft let everyone and their mother run Windows on any hardware - that's why Windows dominates right now... I see the same type of thing happening with iOS - actually, it already is happening for phones - that's why Android is now more popular than iOS - because it runs on anyones hardware.
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    I think you are missing the fact that MS are a software producer and Apple are a hardware producer, two completely different entities. Apple are unlikely to ever license there OS to anyone else.

    Are Apple screwing themselves? Have you checked out their commercial figures, if that is a company screwing themselves then I'd love to run such an awful company!

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    But being "popular" or having market share is meaningless without taking anything eles into context. The one thing being ignored is profit. These companies only exist to make a return for their shareholders.
    Out of Microsoft, Google, and Apple, I'm pretty sure I know which business model the other 2 wish they had...

    $6B profit in a quarter with their always criticised, "minuscule" maket share... Sign me up...

    The day Apple licence IOS or OSX I'll be truly amazed... And I'll also be cashing in my shares shortly afterwards...
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    Ok, that's enough replies from you smart people with thousands of posts! I can only convince dummies that can't think for themselves!

    Seriously though, great conversation - it's nice to see people debating it instead of just flaming each other!

    I am worried about iOS long-term though... I think that Android is going to make huge inroads into the tablet area over the next few years, just like it did (and is doing) with the smart phone. Let's face it, the percentage of iOS users is going down and the percentage of Android users is going up. Obviously, if that continues, it's not good for iOS...
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    I wouldn't worry too much about iOS, what you see today will evolve as markets and technology evolve, the same way OSX has evolved from the days of Jaguar and Panther up to Leopard and Snow Leopard moving on to the forthcoming Lion. No major player will sit on their laurels, they are all busy working away on their next incarnation of their respective hardware/software. I admit my love of all things Apple but I also believe that it is good that there are a number of players in the markets, each pushes the others to new levels of development and the winners of all this competition are.........you and me.

    I'm looking forwards to seeing what the future holds no matter which company come out on top.

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    I'm just not worried about it in the same way. I don't believe the IOS ecosystem is suddenly going to implode if the market share of Android continues to rise. If there is profit to be made by developers then the eco system will survive.
    I believe that is why googles business model for android is flawed. They've reached a critical mass with a product which they don't have control over any more and therefore cant capitalise on as effectively as they might...

    Ultimately the quality of the products will decide. Whoever produces quality hardware coupled with quality software will do well. The others will just be limited in their success...
    I know I'm biased, but there isn't another tablet on the market yet which I believe even comes close to Apple. Even BB who seemed to have a great opportunity with the playbook dropped a massive clanger in the one area I expected them not to. Over and above anything else, I expected a BB product to absolutely nail email... I would love to have been sitting in on the board meeting where someone convinced them to release their first tablet without robust email support out of the box.

    Hey Steve, we're ready to ship the iPad next week, but the iPod app isn't ready yet, so we'll just ship it without the ability to play music for a while, OK?

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