Husq I should say the issues are not just with my personal iPAD but with 70 machines that are all the identical spec but some are affected and others are not - the biggest problem is they must be the identical. The majority are all affected - albeit in some different way, the Wifi issue is the way they are/have been updated. My personal issue has been looked at 3 times very carefully by Apple and the response was simple as I quoted earlier. I have tried everything that the forum has suggested with the exception of one and that was - using it as a paperweight until apple sort out the problem. The problem is theirs; it is not ours - there are millions of reasons as to why its happened but it comes down to one thing only. If the machines, we all bought don't work the way Apple say they should - if iOS 8 point whatever, does not do all the things they advertise it should then the fault lies squarely with Apple, not me or you.