iPad to replace Nook and Kindel

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    I will be purchasing an iPad for my wife soon, but the more I think about it I may replace my Nook with one as well. I absolutely love my Nook and have used it every day for the 6 months I have owned it, but I am blown away by the fact that if I buy one I can not only still read all my B&N books, but read any Kindle book as well.
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    Do lots of reading on the iPad before you think of replacing your e-ink reader. My neighbor has a Kindle and it is a lot easier on my eyes than my iPad. Now don't get me wrong, I have this over that for a reason but my wife is a voracious reader and I am thinking of an e-ink reader for her because of possible eye strain.

    Let us know your decision as I will surely be interested in your take.
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    I agree with vondonds. Get your wife the iPad and do some reading on it. If you still like the ipad, then buy it.
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    I've had my nook for about 4 months now and I really enjoy using it. I too thought that when I purchased the iPad, that it would replace my nook as an ereader. I was mistaken! The iPad is a great device, but it's not a great ereader! The backlight does cause eyestrain after about 15 minutes or so of reading. I've even attempted to adjust the back light, font, background and font colors to no avail!

    The nook is great at what it was designed for, and that's reading! The iPad, as an ereader isn't the greatest device on the market. If I were you, I stick with the nook for reading and use the iPad for everything else! Just my .02!

    Have a great day!
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    I used my Sony Reader for two years and loved it, but having just finished my first novel on the iPad, I have to say I felt no eye strain at all. It took a while to find a comfortable holding position, but I did. Now I feel no compunction about replacing my reader with the iPad.
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    Cant say I mind it at all. I think it is easy to read on and with the adjustable backlight I can keep it easy on the eyes no matter the lighting in the room.
    Try one for yourself and see if it works for you before selling the others...
    Good luck
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    Took the plunge!

    Thanks for everyone’s answer. I just took the plunge and ordered the 16 GB Wi-Fi version from the Apple store on line. :D
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    No issues with reading on the iPad here. Turn the brightness down and it's irrelevant imo. I read a full book in one sitting about 5 days ago, no issues.
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    My wife has the Nook and an iPad, and she like your neighbor prefers the Nook over the iPad. She gets headaches spending lots of time reading on the Pad. Me on the other hand prefer the iPad for reading books. I think the complaints against the iPad is due to the amount of time spent reading. My wife will finish a book without setting down her Nook. It would take me days or even weeks to finish the same book. This may be why I am fine with the iPad. :confused::confused::confused:
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    I agree with all the above. Spend some time on the iPad and decide for your own eyes. I have been reading on the Touch since it came out and the iPad since April and absolutely love it. I can read for 6 to 8 hours at a time with no issues. I do however have problems with the Kindle. To me the screen is not sharp enough for comfortable reading.
    However, my wife is the exact opposite. She hates reading on the iPad but spends hours on the Kindle.
    So, only your eyes will know for sure.
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    I love reading via kindle in iPad. No issues of course my second kindle app is on my blackberry. If you can read there you can read anywhere!

    I do wish we had option to change background to black. On my mobipocket app on blackberry I would read black backgroi d white text, much easier.
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    Well I received my iPad last night and loaded up the b&n ereader and started reading my books. Pretty cool but I think I will keep my nook because
    The eink is much easier on the eyes.
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    I think people over exaggerate the eyestrain issue
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    great for joints

    im selling my kindle which works better than ipad in strong light. since i do a lot of reading in local pubs, joints and places where adult beverages are sold the ipad works great in the low light environment.
    fred from nashville
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    I am enjoying the eReader aspect of my iPad especially the landscape view which looks like an open book. For that reason, I always buy books from iBooks if possible as the other platforms don't have this. About eyestrain, have you tried using the Sepia setting for the background? I happened to try it one day, and it made a huge difference to my eyes.
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    I have both nook and iPad and there is no way that iPad can replace my nook. I say you should give iPad a chance and try it for yourself. People gotta understand that it is not a matter of being darker or brighter LCD. LCD will strain your eyes regardless of its brightness. You will feel that it doesn't feel like it is not straining as much but it is. Also, iPad is horrible under direct light but e-ink is same as paper even in direct sunlight.
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    I disagree. That has not been my experience, having used two Kindles and the iPad as readers.
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    You are misunderstanding my point. What I meant is that it will scientifically strain your eyes. Your argument is that you don't "feel" it. Google medical researches relating to LCD.
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    I don't believe I am misunderstanding it. How is scientific strain any different from any other sort of strain?

    See:

    Do E-Readers Cause Eye Strain? - Bits Blog - NYTimes.com

    Particularly:

    "Today’s screens are definitely less tiring to look at than older displays, which refreshed the image much less frequently, causing a flicker. Carl Taussig, director of Hewlett-Packard’s Information Surfaces Lab, said the 120 Hz refresh rate typical of modern screens is much quicker than our eyes can even see.

    “The new LCDs don’t affect your eyes,†Mr. Taussig said. “Today’s screens update every eight milliseconds, whereas the human eye is moving at a speed between 10 and 30 milliseconds.â€

    I ran into other articles that tend to support this. If an LCD screen is adjusted to the same brightness of an eInk screen, then I submit there is no difference to the viewer. Photons are photons, and the fact that one is reflected and the other transmitted is irrelevant. Most of the test results I see that claim LCD cause more eyestrain fail to give any info on how the LCD backlights were adjusted.

    Maybe I just keep the brightness on my screens turned down more than others do.
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    Actually you did measure your eye strain with your feeling but what I said was that it is straining your eye whether you feel it or not, "scientifically."

    Depending on colors and brightness, photons emitting from different surfaces varies a lot.

    I tend to not to read any science related articles from such publication as NYtimes because of their quality. This article writer writes generally gadget related news and didn't even cite his sources. This brought me to speculate that either he copy-pasted other's quote selectively to support his argument or he did not have any credible source. Just stating who said what does mean nothing.

    But for the argument's sake, in this article, he stated that papers could be worse under certain circumstances. Is he saying that reading papers or e-ink in dark places could be worse? He didn't state what is that circumstances(although it is obvious).

    Refresh rate refers to the rate at which the image on an LCD screen updates. The image on an LCD updates *independently* of the backlighting. The refresh rate is responsible for whether you see motion lag. The backlighting is responsible for whether you perceive any flicker. A higher refresh rate is useful for smoother display of moving images, but should have no effect on static images.

    You said you couldn't find any research relating to this matter. Here is an article that cites over 50 sources. The Effects of Video Display Terminal Use on Eye Health and Vision

    The average human blink rate is 19 times a minute. When reading a LCD screen, it can go down to 4 times a minute. Also, it has been shown that the exposed ocular surface area increases. This means the eyes start to dry out, leading to vision and fatigue issues. Another factor is the nature of e-ink vs. LCD displays. An e-ink screen produces a square wave image. A VDT display is a guassian image(not the same thing as the guassian filter in photoshop). This means that each pixel is a little brighter in the center, and tapers off in luminosity like a bell curve toward the edge of the pixel. It takes more focusing effort to focus on a guassian image, and when looking at a guassian display, a "lag of accommodation" is created. The net effect is that instead of focusing on the screen, you are focusing behind the screen, and have to use extra focusing effort to keep the screen clear. This constant refocusing occurs thousands of times a second, and leads to a sort of "ocular repetitive motion"(I am oversimplifying this). This was first discovered and published in a paper by Murch in 1982.(referenced in the link above).

    As far as I know, LCD screens are guassian image displays. E-Ink produces a square wave image, and that is why many readers find the nook more comfortable to read. As far as refresh rate, that was relevant in the older CRT displays, but irrelevant for LCD monitors.

    The article didn't get into a discussion of the mechanisms by which harm might occur, but does dwell somewhat on the flaws of E Ink; so I read this - perhaps somewhat cynically - as a story intended to boost sales of the iPad. It conflates fatigue (strain) with harm, and ultimately added nothing to my understanding of how reading electronic displays may or may not affect my vision.

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