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KevinJS

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Occasionally, someone asks whether there is a decent virus scanner available for iOS. In this post, I will touch on iOS, macOS and Windows and give some hopefully useful advice for each OS. I know nothing about Linux, but I'm led to believe that there are no viruses in the wild for it. Perhaps someone who uses it can confirm or correct this?

iOS

Taking iOS first, there are NO viruses for iOS, so there is no point in looking for a virus scanner. The best advice is to keep iOS up to date, especially when updates address security issues.

macOS

The same is true of macOS, although the potential exists for them. If a virus ever were to make it into the Mac world, you would certainly hear about it, on this and other forums. So, there is no need to install a virus scanner on a Mac computer. All it will do is slow your Mac down, and likely punctuate your usage with popup messages imploring you to upgrade to a more expensive version.

Windows

Windows, of course, is where virus scanners are invaluable. The above advice still applies. Updating Windows to the latest version is important and will help to guard against malicious code. I won't give advice as to which virus scanner you should use. There are many of them and it really comes down to personal preference. Just don't run two, because they will see each other as a virus, with unpredictable behaviour as a result. It is no fault of Microsoft that viruses are so prevalent. Those who write them simply want the biggest bang for their buck, and Windows supplies it.

Adobe Flash

Personally, I won't install this piece of junk. It is probably responsible for more malware introduction than any other piece of code. However, if you absolutely cannot be without it, set it up to update automatically because exploits for it are continually being found and patched.

What to install

So that covers what you should not install. What about security software that you should install? As far as iOS goes, the answer is simple. None. Exploits on iOS device rely almost entirely on social engineering, and usually appear in the form of a browser hijack. There are two very useful apps for macOS which I recommend. The first is a very powerful tool called OnyX, which is available from Titanium Software - OnyX. It is OS specific, so make sure you download and install only the version for your OS. Unless you know what you are doing, run only the Automation option, and don't change any defaults. The second is Malwarebytes from Malwarebytes Anti-Malware for Mac. This will hunt down and destroy any malware that manages to make it onto your Mac. Download Mac software only from the Mac App Store or the developers own website. Aggregator sites tend to offer software with their own installer which can introduce malware and change browser settings. There is a plethora of Windows security software, but since I'm hopelessly out of date as far as Windows is concerned, I won't make any suggestions as to which are useful and which are not. Windows forums are the best place to find up to date information.

Browser Hijack

Browser hijacks usually come in the form of a window appearing in the middle of the screen with no apparent way to shut it down. The window usually contains a warning that your system has been compromised and that you should call the supplied telephone number for advice. There may also be a warning that closing the browser session will result in damage to your system and loss of data.

Whatever you do, do not call the number. Disconnect your device from the Internet, close your browser, clear history and cookies, then reconnect to the Internet. When you restart your browser everything should be back to normal.

Social Engineering

These exploits attempt to catch you unawares and offer your passwords and bank information to someone who should not have them. Fake websites, phone calls and text messages purporting to be from government agencies, etc. Scammers have nothing better to do that figure out ways of separating you from your cash. If you suspect that you are the intended victim of such a scam, you are halfway to beating it. Don't give information to anyone until they are verified. If you don't suspect a website, phone call or text message, learn the value of questioning them. For example, if you receive a message that you are being investigated for tax fraud, ask the "officer" to call you back, but don't give your phone number. Chances are, they dialled your number at random and will simply go on to their next potential target. If they are legitimate, they will have your number, RIGHT? While you are waiting for the call, contact your accountant and let him know. He will probably have up to date information on the current scams.
 

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Hi Kevin - an excellent and concise summary of the topics below - congrats! Many will appreciate your efforts - just for further support, I'll make just several comments next to your main categories:

iOS -
agree! No AV software needed - but update the iOS.

macOS -
agree! AV software not needed, but again keep the OS updated.

Windows - been off Windows for nearly 4 years, but back then always ran AV/Malware programs - expensive and irritating, and one of the main reasons that I switched to Apple in retirement.

Adobe Flash - still using; wife needs it for a number of her websites; will be glad to rid myself of this Adobe product ASAP! As Kevin states (and what I do), keep Flash up to date!

What to install - using the apps described on all of my Mac computers (one iMac & two laptops).

Browser Hijack - agree!

Social Engineering - agree!

As to Linux, I had the Ubuntu distro on an old IBM laptop for two years just to learn about the OS - based on UNIX, as is the macOS, so really no need for an AV program - the only consideration (since I was still using PCs) would be the possibility via email to spread malware to a PC using friend - the Linux OS would be immune but not necessarily those on Windows receiving email from you. Dave :)
 

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Tonight I need Flash for a specific website and it'll be turned off when I'm finished.

In regards to the browser hijack, I once had one that locked down my iPhone so tight that I had to use Siri to turn on airplane mode since I wasn't able to exit Safari at all. Even double clicking the home button didn't work.
If Siri had been turned off, the only way I could have disconnected from the internet would have been to turn off my WiFi router and pull the SIM card from the holder.
 
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I've heard recently that you don't need AV programs for Windows 10. It has Windows Defender installed, which just has to be activated, and works like an AV program.
Windows Defender has been around for quite a while. It's on my PC that's on Vista. I have AVG installed and a third party antivirus program automatically disables Windows Defender.
 

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Windows Defender has been around for quite a while. It's on my PC that's on Vista. I have AVG installed and a third party antivirus program automatically disables Windows Defender.
That's good to know.
I've seen it on our computers with Windows 7 as well. The information above is something I heard from one of our specialists. He might be right, but I still don't trust Windows enough to use it without AV program on our Windows 10 computers at school.
 

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Thanks Johanna and Scifan.. for the comments on Windows Defender (which replaced MS Security Essentials, I believe) - I left Windows in early 2013 w/ my PC & laptop on Windows XP & Vista, respectively - was using Norton AV at the time; so, cannot offer any advice to those using Windows currently as to the need to use other AV/malware programs beyond what MS offers.

However, for years in my PC days, my favorite forum (which I no longer use) was CyberTechHelp - visited on a daily basis back then - the moderators behave like those on my current macOS forum, and there is an excellent Malware Removal Forum that I probably used a half dozen times (no charge) - a recommendation if still a PC-Windows user. Dave :)
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Thanks Johanna and Scifan.. for the comments on Windows Defender (which replaced MS Security Essentials, I believe) - I left Windows in early 2013 w/ my PC & laptop on Windows XP & Vista, respectively - was using Norton AV at the time; so, cannot offer any advice to those using Windows currently as to the need to use other AV/malware programs beyond what MS offers.

However, for years in my PC days, my favorite forum (which I no longer use) was CyberTechHelp - visited on a daily basis back then - the moderators behave like those on my current macOS forum, and there is an excellent Malware Removal Forum that I probably used a half dozen times (no charge) - a recommendation if still a PC-Windows user. Dave :)
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Windows Defender and Microsoft Security Essentials are both on my Vista laptop. There is no Security Essentials in Windows 7.
 

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I had Adobe Flash for quite a while with no problems then my MacBook Pro started overheating and I eventually tracked it to Adobe Flash, I tried it again recently and the same thing happened.
I do miss it though for viewing some content.
 

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I had Adobe Flash for quite a while with no problems then my MacBook Pro started overheating and I eventually tracked it to Adobe Flash, I tried it again recently and the same thing happened.
I do miss it though for viewing some content.

Occasionally, my laptops (Air & Pro w/ both running Flash) will run up their temps (using iStat Menus) - I open the 'Activity Monitor' (which I keep in my Dock) and typically find 'Safari Web Content (Not Responding)' - temp is high as is the 'Memory Pressure' (see first pic below) - I'll highlight the event(s) and then quit (little 'x') - once eliminated, temp & memory return to normal (as shown in the second pic).

I've not tried other browsers to see if this issue is specific to Safari (suspect not), but believe that often Flash is the culprit hogging my resources (usually when I'm solving a crossword puzzle online that requires the Adobe product) - more information HERE, if interested. So, if you need to use Flash, keep the Activity Monitor ready for use and determine if this might be the problem? Let us know - Dave :)
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Occasionally, my laptops (Air & Pro w/ both running Flash) will run up their temps (using iStat Menus) - I open the 'Activity Monitor' (which I keep in my Dock) and typically find 'Safari Web Content (Not Responding)' - temp is high as is the 'Memory Pressure' (see first pic below) - I'll highlight the event(s) and then quit (little 'x') - once eliminated, temp & memory return to normal (as shown in the second pic).

I've not tried other browsers to see if this issue is specific to Safari (suspect not), but believe that often Flash is the culprit hogging my resources (usually when I'm solving a crossword puzzle online that requires the Adobe product) - more information HERE, if interested. So, if you need to use Flash, keep the Activity Monitor ready for use and determine if this might be the problem? Let us know - Dave :)
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I was monitoring through the activity monitor too and I haven't got the figures now but I was alarmed at how high they were.
I could feel the heat towards the back of the keyboard on my Macbook, It was almost too hot to touch, I immediately uninstalled Adobe Flash and in a short time it cooled down to normal and the activity monitor showed the usual low numbers.
I don't think I will install it again, Twice now it has overheated my Macbook.
 

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For Windows, I recommend ADW Cleaner and Malwarebytes Anti Malware Cleaner. Run both every couple of months or if you suspect you have adware issues. WIndows Defender for antivirus is a good starting point. AVG Free is a grest free antivirus if you don't mind it bugging you to upgrade all the time. Avoid Norton and Avast! like the plague. These can cause more grief than a virus. I've seen both bring high spec pcs to a crawl.
The best practice though is caution and commmon sense. If you don't know what it the attachment is or weren't expecting an attachment from someone, don't click it. If your computer telles you to call a number, don't . If someone calls you about your computer, hang up. I've had customers bring in computers riddled with crap while running top of the line antivirus.
 

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