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This just shut me up about flash.

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  1. graywolf
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    I found this website from another member's post, read it, and it stopped me from complaining about flash ever again.

    Thoughts on Flash
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    Link broken
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    Works for me. I will read later, though. A bit too long at the moment ~ I have the head cold from hell.:(
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    Hope you feel better soon. And the link works. It will redirect you a couple of times though. That might be your problem.
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    The article is from Apple. It is just the same excusses they have used forever to hide why they do not want to do what nearly every other platform can do
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    Hmm... I tried it a couple times. Even stripped the redirect and reference off and tried the apple URL. Oh well.
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    Sorry chuck norris. Google it maybe. As for funn4lo, steve provides legitimate responses to my burning questions; why not have flash? They would make so much more money. His response: flash is outdated, and the biggest things people would need it for is YouTube and there is a special YouTube website that doesn't have flash and there is an app. Also flash is a HUGE security hole which is the downfall of 90% of windows computers and is one of the only ways, dare i say it, that a Mac can get a virus. Html5 is the new way to go.
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    Thanks for the post

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    Interesting, but not a complete answer

    This article explains well why an entire operating system should not rely on Flash. It does not as effectively argue why you can't support Flash as one part of your operating system.

    1. It's "proprietary": What's the downside of supporting a component of your product that's proprietary? If it doesn't work, we know to whom we should complain.

    2. We can or cannot access the "full web": Perhaps there are plenty of areas we can access. However, if We could access everything, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. There must be enough Flash-only content that it's worth talking about it.

    3. Reliability, security, and performance: See #1. If it doesn't work, we know to whom we should complain.

    4. Battery life: Perhaps we could let the user decide if the loss of battery longevity is worth whatever it is that he or she is able to access through Flash.

    5. "Touch": A real potential problem. Too bad we can't know for sure because Flash isn't supported on our devices.

    6. Being "at the mercy" of third-party developers: probably true. Flash may well stagnate because the development lags behind demand. Hasn't stopped Flash so far, but could in the future. It wouldn't exactly cripple the operating system if a limited set of applications didn't make progress along with the rest. We'd learn to move on.

    The bottom line is that it is hard to imagine how Flash support could make things that much worse.
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    True

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    For another interesting read, I found this guy's article to be very informative and quite fair in comparing the two technologies: The Flash vs. HTML5 Endgame | VisionMobile :: blog

    While I agree that with the two headed monster of Google and Apple pushing HTML5 in a big way it is almost inevitable that the future belongs to the new technology, it should be clear that this is still a LONG way off. In case people don't know, the final HTML5 spec won't be finalized until the year 2022. There are still a ton of issues to be ironed out before HTML5 will replace Flash. Let's see .. year 2022. I guess that means we will have full web access with iOS when the iPad 12 is in our hands.
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    I would like to point out that when I posted that link it was to explain why Apple would not be supporting Flash. Not as a definitive argument against Flash. This is just Apple's [Steve Jobs] take on it.

    Unless something happens to change Apple's point of view, there will be no Flash on iPads.

    As for speculation on why Apple does this or that, I prefer to take statements at face value until I have proof otherwise, even celebrities and CEOs.
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    So when NAMBLA says they're all about fostering healthy bonds between grown men and underage boys, you're not looking for an ulterior motive, right? Cool.
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    Excellent example. Thank you. Or are you under the impression that proof of NAMBLA's actual intent is even marginally difficult to find?
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    I love how everyone on this site seems to be riding the HTML5 bandwagon and in some ways, I guess that's ok. We are all alive and enjoying the internet RIGHT NOW, and RIGHT NOW Adobe Flash is responsible for the VAST majority of multimedia rich interactive content on the web. If one day HTML5 completely obliterates Flash, fine, I will be happy either way really.

    My complaint about Flash on the iPad is because I like using the Internet RIGHT now, I don't care what format will be used in the future, I want it NOW. Right NOW the iPad can't offer the whole Internet, other devices can.
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    I read these repeating arguments and my gut reaction is,
    So?........I plain don't care......am I the only one?

    If theres a serious video in flash I need to watch I either download it to watch or make the supreme effort of walking to my desktop.
    This I can happily live with along with the fact my iPad can't make coffee either.

    Still in the words of the first world war cartoonist "If you know of a better [tablet] go to it".
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    But that's the point, you shouldn't need to go to your desktop to view a web page or video. You should need your desktop for heavy computing, viewing a damn website should not require multiple devices.
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    The fact remains, that the iPad cannot access a lot of web sites that I need to because of the lack of Flash.
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    Mahoneyr... An eloquent dose of reality for the apologizers. My iPad is my first Apple. Product. On Windows I maintain good virus software, I have NEVER had a virus related issue. flash or other wise. So away goes that argument. I have a Droid phone. I can set Flash to be on always, never, or "on demand". away goes your battery argument AND I have MY choices on what I need to do, not Apples. flash is not the best, html5 is better is just pure deflection from the REAL issue. MANY web sites use Flash, just a fact and not an Apple hating argument. I am a road warrior. The 2 sites I need most to operate my business are Flash driven. Arrrrrrrg! I thought I could leave my laptop behind more often. Now if I make that choice I have to work on my much tinier Droid screen
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    I'm sorry, is that what you meant in your previous post? Because I took your statement at face value. Or are you under the impression that proof of Apple's actual intent is even marginally difficult to find?

    You can't have it both ways. You either accept all the cans of worms have worms in them and leave them closed, or you open them all to take a confirming peek and then - worms everywhere. Anything else is willful blindness.
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