Subscription services

Discussion in 'iPad General Discussions' started by Diane B, Feb 17, 2011.

  1. Diane B

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    I just read more on TUAW blog and really do wonder what will happen to subscription services like Rhapsody and Netflix, let alone Kindle and Nook, i use all of these services on either the Ipad or my Touch. Rhapsody has said they can't deal with the 30% so will remove their app (assuming no negotiation for a different deal for them). So--i'm wondering what happens to those of us with these apps and subscriptions. Does it mean the apps stop working or that they just won't have an app presence in the store for new purchases? I've even wondered about thr Apple TV and Netflix. An app isn't involved but nonetheless one of the main reasons for most buying the Apple TV is to stream Netflix. If I can't stream Netflix to my Ipad to watch while traveling or on my exercise bike, can't stream Rhapsody (or similar subscription music which can be downloaded for offline listening) to my Touch, can't use the Kindle or Nook app to read---that will definitely push me away from the Ipad. I reslly thought Apple would approach this differently, esp. now with other tablets in the wings but they don't seem to be backing down. OR are they juet exerting themselves to negotiate some sort of a deal with these big vendors??


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    Well you do have to remember....putting a free app in the app store with no ads that is subscription based is a major workaround the app stores profit. Apple is providing a repo thru which users can download apps....Apple asks for a 30% return on all sales (not bad considering your output margin!) when companies put an app up for free they do so with iAd intact....apple gets a cut...everyone is happy....subscription services however, like netflix, curtail the entire system, using the app store and a way of making money without cutting apple in at all.

    I think they have a point and if these services are too greedy to cut in the resource that is making them so much cash....well then see ya! But of course...the one that gets hurt is the consumer.
     
  3. Diane B

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    I do see Apple's point. I'm just hoping there's a compromise afloat. i had read Rhapsody's POV yesterday and see theirs too with the big outlay for music rights. Then I read TUAW today and the headaches Apple would assume following subscriptions, for instance, month to month with Rhapsody. Its rather a conundrum.

    From this consumer's POV though LOL I'm looking around for an alternative to my Touch for portable use of dled Rhapsody. Never having even considered any other player but the Touch for this I have to reeducate myself. I think its more likely Amazon and Apple will come to terms. I really like my Ipad for all round device for day to day computer stuff and "consuming" also but I think there will be more device choices this next year though I may not be as happy as now with the OS, apps, etc.

    Still, what happens to the apps on our devices now with content?

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    Good question Diane. As I have said in other posts, the biggest factor in deciding whether or not to upgrade to the next generation iPad (I am such a gadget freak!) has more to do with Apple's relationship with these content providers than any type of hardware/software changes in the device itself.

    I don't know if it has anything to do with this, but I just got a notice from Last.fm yesterday that they are going to start charging $3 a month (after a 3 month grace period). So now if I pay them (not too likely actually) or Pandora the $36 **OPTIONAL** fee, I assume Apple will want their share as well.

    I have also been considering a media player, but I will probably wait on that as well. Actually I have been looking closely at the Roku units since they do 1080 and AppleTV only does 720 resolution.

    Yes, of course Apple is not a non-profit charitable organization and I fully support their right to make money, but this seems like they are changing the rules in the middle of the game. People like you and me (and a few million other people!) bought an iPad so we could read electronic publications on a larger format than the iPod and I will also be disappointed if some of my favorite apps go away.
     
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    I'm in exactly the same position. I was all set to purchase a 64GB Touch 4G to replace my aging 2G model but I am putting those plans on hold until I see how this all shakes out. I don't there is is a device that competes well with the Touch unfortunately.
     
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    The only real question is whether or not 30% is too much to expect from the vendors. From what I am seeing, most of them can live with the terms, and some may even like them for other reasons. Amazon and others have the choice to accept the deals with varied levels of participation. For example, you could have the kindle reader, but have to go through the store to buy music and books, download them onto your computer and then update your iPad with the books or music. Not realy a big deal to do that, but sometimes inconvenient. My personal thought would be if they could knock their cut to 10%, I think that would be better. But remember they give 2-5% of their cut to the credit card companies.

    The music industry is already mad about Apple's killing their profits. They are screaming that when apple took over as the #1 seller of music, they leveraged such a low price with $.99 songs, it cut into their prifit margin. When you consider they are making a lot of money on nothing but electrons, it is very hard to feel sorry for the record moguls. Concumers will find it hard to fault Apple because they are making their money by leveraging decent prices for the consumers.

    It is like music, I will buy from iTunes instead of Amazon, if all things are equal, due to the fact that AAC is a better format than MP3. But I often will find music at Amazon that is not on iTunes, or occassionally lower priced. If I wanted to buy Beatles songs, I would have to go iTunes. I actually have found a number of situations where I can buy an album cheaper than just the songs I want. Then I just wait two days and load it onto my laptop. Apple is not going to hurt Amazon or many of the other outfits. If Rhapsody cannot take the deal, it is not like they do not have other choices. They may need to raise their prices a few pennies to stay with Apple, or find they can do without that segment.

    As far as the apps, what will happen is that the companies will issue an update to remove the link to their store. I would suspect that magazines and newspapers will find a way to notify you of when your subscription runs out and link it to renew it directly from them. I should also mention that one thing I like about what Apple is doing and do not like about the Google plan, is that Apple asks your permission to give your personal information to vendors, Google is going to give it to them no matter what.
     
  7. Diane B

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    I do also wonder if Apple will announce their own cloud/subscription service like Rhapsody and Netflix. I've said before that I live near the huge Apple server farm not quite done here in western NC. Its now bermed, landscaped and fenced so that you can't see it from any of the surrounding roads (it sits below ghe road level) and there are no signs at the gated entrances. Very strange feeling LOL. The rumors have been around for awhile that it is for cloud type music and probably video services and I would not be one bit opposed to moving from Rhapsody to Apple if that comes to pass. Don't mess sround with my reading though LOL. Oh, and I can live with buying from the store outside the app. The way mentioned above sounded as though it would mean buying on another computer and syncing with Itunes. Because of Kindle's DRM I wouldn't think I could transfer it with Dropbox in that case, too bad. I guess we can only wait and see what happens. I'm sure there will be lots of behind the scenes negotiations and we'll be the last to hear LOL.

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    awesome
     
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    Nice catch Dave. I posted this link in the News section of the forum. Hope you don't mind.
     

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