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New MacBook Air - competition for iPad?

Discussion in 'iPad General Discussions' started by Seadog, Oct 20, 2010.

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    Along with a new version of the 13" MacBook Air, Jobs unveiled an 11" MBA. At $999 for a 64GB model, could this be a competitor for the iPad in certain quarters, especially with the blending of iOS features into OSX Lion? If they were to offer it with built in 3G and the same iPad price structure?
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    I think it will be as popular as the iPad. It's small like the iPad, but it will be faster and it supports flash. Not to mention it has a USB port along with some other things the iPad is missing. If the iPad had all these features the iPad would be in more peoples hands.
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    I don't see the Air having much influence on the tablet. It won't be as convenient to use on the sofa, in bed on the move etc., but it will cater for those who need a solid keyboard with the portability of the iPad.

    Far more interesting is the effect of the iPad on osx lion. Programs as apps with their own AppStore. App style installation and upgrading. The instant on experience and full screen focus. This little gadget is having a seismic effect on the desktop. It will be interesting to see where it ends.
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    I think it's more a testing ground for a full os on a device that probably reflects the next gen iPad specs.

    Betcha iPad 2 will run lion....since they seem to be gearing it towards touch support.
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    The Lion touch interface is more geared to the touch pad. Jobs pretty definitely nixed any touch screen for the Macs. Lion on the iPad would be interesting, but major gains would need to be made in battery life and processor pricing before it would be practical. I would say iPad 5 and OSX 8 before it happens.
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    A couple of sweet things about the new MBAs is that they take only 15 seconds to boot up. Try that with a Windoze unit. Plus they have a special USB stick to reboot the system. It can also reboot from any wireless PC nearby.
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    Although the ipad and macbook are still pretty different in their pros / cons. It seems as though the macbook's new size and functionality will probably give the ipad some competition since a lot of critics seem to bash on the ipad for its lack of certain features ( which the new macbook makes up for imo)
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    Give it a convertible touchscreen and a gyro and you could wave bye bye to the iPad (and any other tablet for that matter)
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    What the iPad has done is make me impatient with my current desktops.

    I want instant on and off, I want simple install and updates. I like and currently run all my programs full screen, hiding and switching with kbd.
    If the iPad can run such capable apps such as pages and filter storm in such limited storage and memory why the hell is my quad core slower with massive software installs.
    It's not all just flash storage rather a reappraisal of traditional computer assumptions. Lion and the Airs is just a start.
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    I have to agree. I also have a MacBook. I get frustrated waiting to launch to go on the net etc and most times. I often turn to the iPad. Since buying the iPad I now only use the MacBook maybe once every 2 weeks mainly to transfer songs etc.

    My personal opinion is that most people purchasing computers, and i mean home users not gamers or professionals for some reason believe they must have intel core 2 500gb hard drive 4 gb ram and a fast video card just to do basic stuff
    Yet all they want to do is get email and surf the web. It seems they live in a box. From my perspective the Mac book air along with the iPad is perfect for doing mobile computing I really love the instant on and great battery life

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    I think that this might explain why the iPad seems inexplicably "crippled" by the lack of an SD card slot and exposed file system, positioning for the MacBook Air.
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    I have an ssd drive in my Alienware laptop and Win7 64 is instant on very
    similar to my iPad which BTW gets more use than the laptop. In fact I think
    I have used my laptop maybe 10 times since getting the iPad. It is about
    as perfect for what I do and weighs about 7lbs lighter than my laptop.

    But when it comes to computing power..well the big guy wins.. but for
    portability... NOTHING compares to the iPad.
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    Considering the form factor of the new air I would not doubt at all that a 13" iPad with lion could be seen next year...and I will be getting one ;)
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    We have windows 7 laptops at work with solid state storage booting around 25s. Resume from suspend is even faster.

    The new air looks interesting. More options to meet more needs. Its all about different users having different needs requiring different tools to address them.
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    I don't see the new MacBooks competing with anyone. The 11" looks like a netbook, but at more than twice the price of a Windows based net book. I have a 12" net book with nVidia ION GPU and dual core processor, 250GB drive and 2GB RAM which cost me $499. Most 10" netbooks are in the $250-$299 price range. I would never have considered the new MacBook at $999.

    And for that price it won't replace the iPad for sure.

    IMHO, Apple has really missed the boat with these new machines at those prices.
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    I dont know. Add SSD instant on to that $500 netbook you have and all of a sudden, you would also be approaching the $1000 mark. now, take the dimensions of that netbook you have and squeeze them down to an Air - see what I am doing here?

    Is it an iPad replacement? Nope. Is it a netbook replacement? Nope.

    I think what they were looking at was something that brought the boot speed of the iPad with the overall power of a higher end netbook into something that is neither. This will fill that niche of people who want an iPad but need a laptop.

    Personally, I wont be getting one - not until I can trade all my Windows licensed, high-dollar software in for the Mac equiv, but that wont happen. And even then, it wont be an Air.
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    Interesting article but I see some issues with the strategy. A computer appliance makes good sense and in many ways it has been one of the trends we see happening. However a simple appliance for limited applications will most likely reach end of life faster than a general purpose device that can be upgraded and extended.

    For most such devices the expectation is that the device will cost less, not more than the expandable device. If I have to replace a consumer appliance because it has become obsolete or some portion stops working, I expect that device to be cheap to replace.

    Apple is developing a very simple appliance that will likely face end of life sooner because it is not upgradable. Yet asking a higher price than more flexible systems are selling for. I think about the very first Macintosh, which had a built in monitor and no expansion slots at all, it was priced higher than most PCs of the time and people failed to buy them in the numbers Apple had expected. Apple corrected this with the Mac II, but at an even greater price tag. And they eventually lost the market because of the perceived premium cost.

    I just don't think Apple has fully learned that lesson.
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    The buying public will decide the viability of the new MBA. Consider how many people buy a MacBook for that same price. It is likely that this will be a decent product for Apple, but maybe not to the same level as the iPad. It has a decent processor, a big enough screen, very compact, and combines many proven attributes. It does not have a large storage capacity, but that is a limited advantage for a device designed for travel.

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