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    So I got my iPad3 a couple of days ago. I've been a PC, I was a Commodore (much) earlier :) and this is my first entry into the world of apples. Seems like a great device so far, except that I don't want it to be "a series of tubes" (pun intended), but rather a tool that serves me. I even RTFM on day one ;) and after a day or two, I jailbroke it. So far so good, but I still can't seem to find two things:
    -some sort of adblocking and socialblocking (like e.g. Adblock Plus and Ghostery on Firefox) -- I was only able to find an adblock that you have to buy.
    -some decent file explorer/manager -- also I only found one that isn't free.
    I know some things are worth paying for, but these two seem as elementary as a driver's seat and a steering wheel in a car. Is there another browser I should be using instead of Safari, that has adblocking addons and offers more control?

    Also, how can I tell if apps send out encrypted or plain-text username/password data? It's pretty straightforward seeing a "https" in a browser, but with the various apps, it's hard to tell. At least Mail I hope is using encryption (ports 993, 587)...
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    hi,welcome to the forum,here are some helpful links-
    http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/discu...412896524?mt=8
    Apple - Support - Manuals
    3 very informative threads from which you will learn many tips and shortcuts for the IPad.
    TIPS AND TRICKS - for those of us who don't know!
    iOS5 Tips and Tricks
    We have rules like any Community so please read these also
    Forum rules - everybody please read!!
    poisonivy.

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    I agree with you, I am also a Windows PC person
    the only decent file explorer/manager APP I purchased for my iphone/ipad is call "Files Connect"
    it can transfer (copy) files from PC/Mac and Apple Time Capsule to your ipad.
    I still don't know how to copy files from my ipad to a Windows PC using Files Connect
    if you kow how to copy multiple files, please let me know
    good luck
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    Well, today I found a desktop application called iExplorer. It has access to iPad filesystem (among other neat things), but I haven't tried copying anything yet. All in all it offers more access to the gadget than the default iTunes and Windows Explorer (the latter only shows DCIM folder on iPad).

    The encryption of credentials is something I'm still a bit wary about, especially since the iPad is something that's more or less to be used in "public hotspots"... still needs to be tamed for that purpose. ;)
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    What does being a Windows PC person have to do with anything? This is nothing unique. That sounds like code for "I'm inflexible and only want to do things the way I already know how to do them." :)

    The iPad runs iOS and you'd better deal with that. It is not a file-centric OS. Files are owned by the applications that create them. Manipulating files is extremely limited compared to DOS, Linix, Android, Windows, and OS X, etc. (Jailbreaking does open up the file system, so that is an option.)

    If you can't deal with that, you may find you prefer an Android tablet for with these you can access all files on the device with any if the many file managers in the Play Store. The Google Nexus 7 by Asus is, IMO, one of the best options right now.
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    Nothing, I was merely introducing myself. :) I know it's not a file-centric OS. And I don't really need to know and work with all those system files. But I do want to have an overview over my files (regardless of their format) and sort and move/copy them however I want, and transfer them easily between whichever devices I choose. Right now, Dropbox seems to be doing a great job with this...
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    Yes, Dropbox is a very useful app to have. Another one is GoodReader. Between those two, you can do a lot of stuff! GoodReader will talk to a lot of different cloud servers, works the FTP, etc. Strongly recommended. These two will keep you sane! :)

    And welcome!
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    Well, unlike on "real" computers, iPad's Dropbox only keeps local copies of files if they're marked "favorite". I found out that with SugarSync, on the other hand, I can literally "push" folders (from a desktop web browser) to get downloaded to iPad. But still... how come that music downloaded in either of these two won't show up in the default Music app (same goes for photos)? I would have expected that (being a non-file-centric OS) the system would scan and look for media anywhere and add them to corresponding apps (Music, Video, Photos...).
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    Why? If the music app doesn't own it, why should it grab it? Or the video app? If you have another app that has more features than the stock app, you don't want the stock app grabbing everything. Also, dropbox works like that on all mobile devices because they tend to be storage space constrained, otherwise you'd quickly run out of space. Pushing folders is a feature that sugersync offers, so what? Drop box is still king of cloud and frankly has the best support overall.
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    Not grab; just index and become aware of it. Yes, I don't want one app grabbing everything (like some applications used to do in Windows with taking file extension associations to their domain); but I'd prefer to see that an app finds all the files it can handle, wherever they are (and if I have two apps that can handle them, those files could be seen in both). It doesn't make sense to have some media files in one app, another bunch elsewhere, or even duplicates; but it would make sense, if I open e.g. Music, to see all playable music there (linked, or whatever).
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    It does make sense...the apps are sandboxed....so one app can't see files for another app, even if it can play them (in most cases, as there are pipes from one to another in some cases). It means that one wrong thing or bad actor can't bring down the house. For example, I can play more file types in AVPlayer HD than in the stock app, so I use that most of the time, plus I can bring files in over wifi, rather than using to use iTunes. The stock app doesn't need to even be used.

    iOS is a light footprint OS...it is not massive like Windows...and it doesn't try to do everything like Android.

    It works the way it works, not how you want it to work. There is no point in fighting it.
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    Not fighting it, just trying to understand it, and tweaking it the way it will suit me. Still, the app-centrism (as opposed to file-centrism) is in my opinion highly inefficient (that is, at least until you figure out which apps are best for managing the variety of your content, and then do your best to bring the stuff together; until then, you have one text document in one app, another one in another, a few books here, a few elsewhere, some songs in this, some in another app, etc.). The content (=file) is the thing that matters, and not its "handler" (=app). Just like in the "real world" -- when you eat, the food (=contents) is the most important part; the handlers (or "apps": a plate, utensils, a table...) may vary, but they just facilitate using the content. :)
    Of course app-centrism helps making $$$ ... but that's a whole other story.
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    There is a lot of effort devoted to manipulation of files and that is not content focused at all. This is like you going to a resturant and having to go the kitchen and fix your own meal, pick up your own silverware, and then carrying it all back to the table. The content is in the preperation, the delivery, and in the enjoyment (if you are the customer then it is all in the latter).

    It is not necessary to have files spread between apps as you suggest. You just have to decide how you want to do thing and then follow through. If you want to use the stock apps, then there is a way to do things. Most of us prefer not to, so we use other apps that have their way of doing things. You merely do things the way there are designed to be done rather than fighting it by bring expectations.

    Sandboxing is not really about creating an app-centric focus, it is more about building a system that is protected. The various apps are designed to allow you a means to view and/or create content.
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    The iPad has become very popular with people who have no idea how to operate a computer, and that is its primary function. It is a magical piece of glass that "just works".

    Of course, those of us with a background in personal computers can see immediately that the thing is a computer, and therefore expect certain behavior from it, but for those who are satisfied with getting things done without worrying how they are done, it's perfect.

    When was the last time you defragged your iPad? When was the last time you had a reminder that Flash, Java, Divx etc needed an update?

    It's great to be able to start with a file and decide how you are going to mess with it, but the iPad works for people who don't know how their data is used by the OS, and care even less. For them it "just works" and the world is a better place.

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    And more importantly secures the device against malware ,virus infections, also designed for everyday non geeky people , techies and geeks will find it very restrictive if you like to open the bonnet and fiddle the thing to death.
    If you want to connect to a PC or Mac/Linux across a wireless connection and move , copy files , then FilesConnect or FileBrowser use the smb network protocol to do just this,
    When your files are local on the ipad either app can open the files just like a pc in the correct associated app on the iPad to then edit, play or view.
    The workflow is a little different but it "Works" .
    Both above mentioned file apps also support the popular DropBox for further storage possibilities and integration.

    Hope this helps a Tad more.
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    Confessing to more than a little amusement that you started with this and then went on to describe how iOS does things (i.e. sandboxed - an remarkably inflexible way) What he wants precisely is flexibility, but that is what gets technophytes in trouble, and iOS was built to prevent that.
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    Here are two examples of a direct connection to a PC network shared folder, supporting an "open in" with my chosen ipad app PDF Expert
    I am using FileBrowser that has a permanent network drive to a PC on my network.
    Workflow is less than 15 seconds to locate the file and open on my Ipad.

    Attached Files:

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    Unfortunately FilesConnect is a bit retarded compared to FileBrowser in copying multiple files, but can copy a folder to the pc.
    I suggest reading the help guide and then if stuck post a specific question about the app to get further help.
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    He wants the flexibility to do things they way he knows how to do them. :)

    People call the old carry over way of doing things flexible, when it fact they are doing all the grunge work.

    There is nothing hard about doing things the way iOS wants to do them. You just have to think a certain way. I've been a user of MS products (and their ilk) since the early 80s and have used most modern OSs since that time. They have all had their way of doing things. Comparatively speaking, iOS is simple.
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    You hit the nail on the head

    By keeping it simple the masses can use it and it does not matter what is under the hood it just works. I too have come from a long background of iT support mainly os on Macs so adapting to ios has been easy when I hit the wall I just looked for Apps to do the job I needed.
    What amazes me is the high level of satisfaction of users of iPads and iOS devices. It just works

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