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How to use Dvorak layout in iPad?

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    Is there any way to change keyboard layout?

    In case you wonder why I want it - because it is faster to type in Dvorak layout (see Wikipedia for detailed explanation).
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    'Settings', 'General', 'Keyboard', 'International Keyboard', 'British', 'Dvorak'

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    Cheers - I'll try that! So far when I searched for Dvorak in iPad on the web the results coming as iPad doesn't support Dvorak!

    PS: It will be interesting to read if anyone has compared ease of typing on touch screen between Qwerty and Dvorak.
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    The option there is only for hardware keyboard. Seems that it is not possible for on screen keyboard.
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    That is correct. You can not change the touch keyboard's layout to Dvorak. I believe you can find a few app in the App Store that will let you enter text with a Dvorak keyboard, but that text will have to be copy & pasted to other apps later.

    Still, since touch typing on the screen keyboard is never going to be fast to begin with I kind of doubt the Dvorak keyboard layout would help that much (other than providing a more familiar layout for devoted Dvorakians). :)

    It would be kind of like getting professional running shoes to jog on the treadmill.
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    I wonder how difficult it would have been for Apple to include Dvorak option in on screen keyboard.

    They are offering Qwertz, Azerty etc. then why not Dvorak as well?
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    Probably not difficult, just that there is always one more thing you can do/add, and you have to stop somewhere.

    I admit that a Dvorak keyboard made more sense to me too, unit I looked up the other two in Wikipedia. I think the key words were 'widely used in fill-in-the-blank regions' which makes it a move towards international compatibility, rather than variations (however more efficient) that never quite make it mainstream.
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    I agree. Apple includes many different keypads in OS X to include Dvorak and it is very easy to set up and use. I. was led to believe the iPad would include the same keyboard options. I Was wrong! Appears Apple chose to exclude the Dvorak option on the iPad operating system. Why?

    I request that Apple ADD Dvorak option to the iPad. I am tired of suffering through the normal keypad. PLEASE,
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    The Dvorak keyboard is over 38 percent faster than the normal keyboard. So it is not just a familiarity thing. Dvorak is also much easier to use. Apple, please give us the Dvorak.
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    Your understanding of the Dvorak keyboard is very inaccurate. The Dvorak keyboard is over 38 percent faster and over 50 percent easier to use. It is more like getting professional running shoes versus running barefoot on sharp gravel.
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    Tim,

    I hope you are right about finding Dvorak under British. The Apple store iPad expert could not find it. I will give it a try.
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    Tim,

    Unfortunately, your solution does not work in the software section. I made the change you listed and I am still hunting and pecking on a regular keyboard.

    We can only request the Apple makes the change in the keyboard options like the do in OSX.
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    Tim,

    Your solution to adding Dvorak keyboard of settings/General/Keyboard/international keyboard/ British/Dvorak. Does Not work to change the iPad keyboard.
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    I understand the Dvorak keyboard well enough, and just how it produces that greater efficiency. It is almost entirely about the mechanics of touch typing; more efficient key placement to distribute the work between hands, and the most common keys closest to the home rows and stronger fingers.

    I think you underestimate how much a cramped, non-standard, touch keyboard is going to impact that efficiency. There have been a few, very few, people who have reported being able to touch-type with the iPad's touch keyboard with any real efficiency. Dvorak is all about making touch typing efficient.

    So I maintain, that except for those few who are comfortable with holding their hands above a keyboard with 'no' contact, and have the spacial/motor skills to still be accurate that way; the primary benefit would be finding the keys where you are trained to expect them. I don't deny that there should be some improvements. Just having the more heavily used keys a bit closer together will help some; but hen pecking is hen pecking. A 38% efficiency improvement proven on a physical keyboard does not necessarily translate to the the physical and layout compromises inherent to the iPad's hardware.

    It is just my opinion of course, and I have no studies to back this up. If you do, specific to the type of screen/keyboard involved, I will be happy to change my opinion.

    Hold in mind I have no objection to the idea of Apple including a Dvorak keyboard. I even think they should. I believe the only reason they did not was because they were concentrating on supporting regional keyboard styles, not professional ones: They will probably get around to it eventually. You could probably help hurry that on it's way by giving them some feedback, if you haven't already.

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    I sent Apple a request to add Dvorak to their large list of optional keyboards. Not sure if it will get any attention.

    You might want to learn why the letters were placed where they are for standard keyboards, and how they became standard to discover the significant differences between Dvorak and Standard keyboards. Similar story comparing Apple Mac operating system to Microsoft PC, where Dvorak and Mac are far more effective, and efficient, because they were designed that way.
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    I read up on this long ago when I was first learning to type. The letters are where they are due to the mechanical limitations of the first typewriters. When the keys were placed efficiently for humans the letters constantly jammed, making it, ironically, less efficient to type efficiently. By the time the mechanics improved enough to make this a non-issue the QWERTY keyboard was already so entrenched in the system (because everyone already knew how to use it and everyone sold it because everyone knew how to use it) that every attempt to replace it with a more efficient layout (of which Dvorak is the most popular) has met with little success.

    BTW, I first learned to touch type on a cheap mechanical typewriter, of a design that still managed to jam every now and then.

    There's more to it than that, of course, but I'm not 'that' well read on the subject, and besides this post looks to be getting over long already. Wikipedia is available for anyone who is curious. I'm sure there's a decent article there.

    The following is pure opinion and very skippable: Dvorak devotees are a lot like Linux users these days. They know they have the superior product, but it doesn't seem to make any difference when confronted with the reality of human habit and the market. That may change, but it will probably be a very slow process. In fact, I expect that the Dvorak (or another efficient keyboard) will be come popular when keyboards are no longer common input method: when they are essentially a specialist's tool, because specialists are far more likely to pursue efficiency over convenience.

    The reason I've never switched is that I'm too lazy and cheap to search for, buy, and learn how to use a new keyboard (habit and the market). If I ever start writing on a professional level (many thousands of words a day) I'll probably re-evaluate that decision.
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    Your understanding of the QWERTY keyboard is about right.QWERTY was designed to slow down the typists, because of the jamming.

    I chose to learn to type with Dvorak, so I do Not want to learn QWERTY, and I feel Apple would be wise to add Dvorak to the iPad which has to be easy, since the have added so many other keyboards on the iPad, and the include Dvorak on OSX.
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    So your saying that Apple should include something because you want them to or because you refuse to try something new? Or am i reading this wrong?

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    If they won't add the most essential item of arrow keys then I can't see them adding something that many people have never heard of.
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    This.

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