Can I hack or jailbreak to get the arrow keys? (+flash?)

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    I really need the arrow keys! I do a lot of editing of small bits of text in multiple languages (which often means switching keyboards for different character sets).

    Despite several months of experience, I find the maginifier method way too slow and cumbersome. I might just want to go back one or two letters (quicker to delete and retype!) or the previous word.

    I also often copy & paste test, which takes ages!
    1. Hold/pause -
    2. then fiddle about for a few seconds to get the right letters highlighted
    3. select copy/paste
    4. switch to another field/app
    5. spend a few seconds putting the cursor in the right place
    5. hold/pause
    6. paste

    This whole sequence usually takes me at least 10 seconds. If I do it on my PC, I can do it in 3 seconds flat.

    There's no point in using 3rd-party apps to type and then copy/paste them into another app, that also takes ages to faff around between apps.

    So the question is: how do I modify the keyboards to include additional functionality? How about a way to program certain key combinations (remember the original keyboards 'in the old days' had ctrl-cominbations to move the cursor or copy & paste?)?

    What kind of hacks are available to go in a alter the OS code at least temporarily between upgrades?

    I'm even thinking of jailbreaking my ipad if that will provide a solution.

    I already have another compelling reason to jailbreak my ipad, and that is so that I can use flash.

    I develop online educational products and we have decided that the best way to incorporate platform-wide content is to do it in flash. Many of my customers have iPads, so I will have to incorporate jailbreaking software and instructions with all our products if that becomes necessary.

    My personal rant:
    I'm more and more surprised every day I use the iPad how limiting it is. I never used Apple products before, but I thought they were designed to make things easier and more convenient - but I'm not impressed at all.

    I was going to switch all our PC notebooks to the new Macbooks, but I decided to just buy more Windows notebooks. I'm impressed with Windows 7 (but not at all with vista when it came out). I was frustrated with Microsoft in the past, but I have a new respect for them now.

    They try really hard to give users choice in how they want to work, not try to force people to comply with the system. In fact, I remember (in the 90's) that the main popularity and reason for Microsoft's success was that every other computer system forced you to work their way - and every system was different.

    I used to train people how to use their computer systems. In the end, I became a consultant who developed interfaces that worked according to the user's requirements and preferences. It seems that Apple has decided to go the way of Wang (does anyone still remember Wang????) and dictate to their customers how they should use their machines.

    Thank goodness there are android and other devices out there. Just as we all thanked IBM and Microsoft for allowing us to ditch the Wang wordprocessor and replace them with the more flexible machines.

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    PS I've been searching various forums for answers and found the "outdated thread" - I'm hoping someone would have come up with a solution by now. Yes, it's been a year since Apple refused to support flash. Is that going to change anytime soon? Is there any good reason why they shouldn't support it - in which case, how does one access flash-based sites - or is that something that (well-behaved) iPad users are expected never to want to do? And how does one develop browser/platform-independent audiovisual websites without using flash?
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    Welcome. Just curious do you usually come in to Forums ranting and raving about problems with out introducing your self sorry but your back ground states you are an IT specialist ....... Trainer etc. If you want answers to your question please respect this is a private forum ok.....We are here to assist

    Thank you.

    Oh one more thing..... I moved your post from an out dated thread. ...... only 4 months old
    It has been a know fact for 12 months almost that Apple does not support flash. It seems to me that you have the wrong platform to do what you want to do. If your customers have purchased iPads then you are the one with a problem developing your web site with flash only content. I will leave it to the experts on our forum to give you a heads up on what you need to do. As for discussions about windows vista, xp and 7 versa Apple OSx oh i forgot IBM and Wang Do that on another forum please.

    Ps My first computer was Apple II...

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    Agreed, iPad text editing is crap.
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    And I am more impressed every day on how my iPad (and now iPhone 4, thanks employer!) makes my life easier and easier.
    Having lived in the Microsoft world since I was but a young teen (and I'm approaching old geezer status now), when I got my first MacBook Pro I was amazed.

    Now that I am using the iPad I love the way that it interfaces better with alot of Micrososft products that my Windoze machines do.
    Yes, it may seem clunky at first but it is a just a mindset change and practice.

    Remember your first GUI? (I apologize if you have always had GUIs, us old f@rts like to cling to our memories.) I remember thinking, "Why can't I just type del *.bat to get rid of all those batch files?" Now, while I still love a good command line, I can whip around an Explorer window and clear files with ease.

    Remember, once you go Mac you'll never go back......
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    First my rant:

    Ok yes I am a dinosaur - I used to program Univac mainframes in assembler with punchcards, and even had access to the command console entering bits directly into the "registers". I hated it and moved as quickly as I could to a monitor (the thing with a keyboard and screen) and then became an expert into "mini" and "micro" computers, replacing corporate mainframes with PCs. I hated DOS and command line interfaces, instead developing interfaces that were menu or graphic driven (so that users didn't have to know unix or dos just to be able to write a letter).

    I always thought Apple was hugely innovative, so much more stable and cleaner than Microsoft. And I had been waiting for a tablet to become available for over five years, but could never find anything close to what I needed. Until the iPad. I waiting a few months before taking the plunge and - yes - I am impressed, it's kind of what I've been looking for all these years.

    Only to be puzzled and disappointed about some fairly 'obvious' functions that have been deliberately left out (e.g. to be able to listen to the audio in a PDF file); and the strange experience of having a machine that was very pretty but almost identical to the old application-centric DOS machines where each app was a world unto its own with no interconnectivity with other apps at all. Why is it for instance that I need several copies of the same document if I want to view it either in iBooks or Readdle or Goodreader?

    About flash. Can anyone advise me on how to design a browser-independent website with audio and graphic animation, without resorting to flash or a specific plug-in that has to be installed? At least as far as I know, flash has become ubiquitous (except for iPad/iPhone). I don't know why. I understand that Adobe has provided Apple with the source software and invited Apple to develop their own flash player if they want. Some personal grievance or is it senseless ideology?

    I don't understand the 'Apple' mindset. I'm not sure I like Microsoft either (so many levels just to get to a simple operation), but I have to respect them for trying. A Mac is also devilishly difficult to configure when you try to get into the guts of the machine!

    After all this, I just need an easier way to navigate around text on the iPad! I've discovered something called 5-row qwerty keyboard that might do the trick - it needs a jailbroken iPad. I don't want to jailbreak my iPad if I can help it - but I can't see a compelling reason why not to. And then I get both flash and arrow keys. Maybe I get to hear my ebooks being read out loud. And my kids get to play games on newgrounds too... :)

    The only problem is that I might need to persuade my customers to jailbreak their iPads if they want to use my courses. That might be sacrilege. If it was just me then I wouldn't care. But I need a more 'market-ready' solution.

    After all - and hats off to Apple - the iPad is hugely popular and I have many iPad owners wanting to follow my courses, but perhaps not enough to warrant a special version just for iPad. What I don't think Apple (Jobs) has realized is that customers nearly always find uses for a product that the manufacturer didn't originally intend. Despite the limitations and complexities of Windows, you can usually find a way to do what you want in the end.

    I'm open to ideas and suggestions. Please advise!
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    it's easy

    Learn how to use HTML5 / CSS3

    get over yourself
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    Ouch. Now that wasn't nice. Was it?:D
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    /facepalm

    And round and round it goes...
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    While I think that I cannot help you I apologize for the some of the rude attitudes here in this topic. Just ignore them.

    I want arrow keys as well......

    AFAIK there is no hack yet that will add them. as for Flash the only alternative out there is too jailbreak and installed what is called "FRASH". It is a crappy port of flash and buggy but if you must have flash then it is better than nothing I guess.
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    Kudos. Couldn't agree more.
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    Thanks for that. I have been considering HTML5, but I read that it wasn't ready yet for everybody and that more people can play flash than can play HTML5 embedded audio/video clips.

    (Sheesh! I just realised that I can't use HTML5 on IE unless I upgrade to version 9, and to do that I first have to upgrade from XP to Windows 7! I think that eliminates 70% of my customer base...)

    Maybe the solution is to detect the browser type / version and play the audio and animated clips in either flash or HTML5 audio as befits the browser.

    As for my arrow keys and being able to enjoy flash movies and games, I'll go for the jailbreak solution until Apple decides to catch up and give us Customers (with a big "C") what we paid for.

    :)

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    Haha! Until I read the other posts, I didn't realise I was being insulted too :D

    "get over yourself", I looked it up : Patronising phrase used to tell someone... / a phrase little pussies use when they can't win an argument with a real counterpoint. I think this says it all!
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    interesting use of urban dictionary, also an interesting way of leaving out pieces of information that you quote to strengthen your own 'argument' though no one, as far as I'm aware, was arguing against you

    what I said was in response to your 'I have x number of years of experience and I'm a mainframe programmer blah blah' no one cares because it has nothing to do with what you want

    what you want is for apple to spend time and money, millions of dollars, to add a feature that a relatively small set of people actually care about

    and yes, flash is popular, but thats only because until recently no one had the technology to get video and animation to work without it

    as for people still using XP, it's not apples or microsofts fault if they refuse to upgrade and if all websites cater to these people then real progress will be slow and painful in getting things like HTML5 standardized, because if everyone takes the mindset of 'oh I might make a few people upset so I better not change' then where will we be

    as for utilizing a method to detect and transfer between HTML5 and flash, that's a good option, but I don't think requiring users to jailbreak is really a good idea, because if they don't want to upgrade from XP should they really be trying to run redsn0w and/or other tools they come across?
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    Hey zrb, coming from a man (?) who likes to insult people, it's difficult to follow what you are really trying to say. Do you know how much it costs to upgrade from XP to Windows 7? Not to mention the time and disruption to do so? If I'm going to 'require' all my customers to upgrade to Windows 7 then I may as well just ask them to install FireFox (or design my site to work just with IE 6/7/8 instead, since everybody already has that).

    You've raised some interesting ideas, but I don't really think you're being helpful.

    Unrealistic too... Very few people change technologies overnight, especially if it's something as obscure as being able to view HTML5 websites. Adobe has done a very good job of providing an almost ubiquitous technology - somethng that nearly every internet 'surfer' needs even if they are not aware of it. Adobe has critical mass, so why not embrace it?

    I was nonplussed at what Apple did NOT support in the iPad (assuming that only a "few" customers might want it, and in order to save development costs you say?) - multilingual keyboards, text navigation keys, flash, multitasking, data/document sharing, etc. etc., not to mention a very slow and clumsy iTunes interface.

    I came to this forum to look for advice from experienced iPad users and developers on how best to cater for my iPad customers and to be able to use my own iPad more productively.

    Sorry if I come across as long-winded. I don't spend time on forums, so I'm not familiar with 'forum etiquette'. I'm just trying to make sense of this technology and why it seems so deliberately and senselessly limited.

    And I have the one issue (or set or issues) that I'd like to resolve for now - and thanks to all of you who are helping.... :)
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    I have to say what you are trying to achieve is really not Apple's problem. It seems to me you have your self and your customers using xp which Microsoft no longer supports This coupled with using the iPad to access your custom application only adds to the problem . I can't understand why you just don't use a net book as it offers most of what you want instead of trying to modify the iPad to do something it is not design to do.

    It is a know fact that using iTunes on xp and vista has some issues and yes it is sluggish however and in most cases not an Apple issue. . It is my opinion you are in fact behind the 8 ball What you want is a solution to fit your xp customers whom at some point in the very near future will have no choice but to upgrade to win7. As for blaming Apple and what the iPad does not provide for what you need really amazes me. No product offers every thing you want regardless of brand.

    I Suggest you rethink your requirements and look for an alternate other than the iPad because while you continue in xp world and if flash is so important and you need all the other items you listed in your first post then find an alternative product. Our members are attempting to help you however looking at the posts are not getting any where. So I have no other answers to your problem.
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    Dear Col, were life so simple! I know we are way off topic already, but what the hell!

    Where I live, there are around 30 million computers, privately-held or available to the public in internet cafes. Around 50% are still XP based, 10% are Windows 2000, 20% are vista - although from anecdotal research, about half of these have been reverted to XP again. The newer 20% are Windows 7 and the remaining 10% seem to be a hodgepodge of Macs and other curious devices. Many of my (wealthier) customers also have iPads, but many others are opting for the Android devices starting to come out because of the limitations of the iPad they say. Except for those with iPads, so far as I know everyone has flash players on their machiens. And I don't know of anyone - other than a few IT afficiandos - who consider upgrading to Windows 7. XP works fine, vista doesn't. And XP is free. Most new computers are sold without O/S to keep the price down ($400 instead of $650 for a new entry level laptop), and nearly everyone still has access to the old XP installations CDs*. I don't know about Apples, it's popular for those who can afford it, the number one reason being... "it's pretty". :eek:

    The beauty about people who own Apple devices is that seem to be happy to pay extra for good products, so I might just make a special "Apple" version of my courses and charge extra to cover the extra development costs.

    I was hoping for a more straight-forward solution: maybe a hack or patch I could supply; or a way to produce web content that is browser and platform independent.

    As you say, that will only happen sometime in the distant future when everyone has HTML5 and all the digital movies and audio content have been converted to the new (yet again) standard(s).

    Thanks for your help and advice. At least I know now that it can't be done simply. Or that flash might still be the solution, but that only the iPad (or Apples?) will be the odd man out. I'm guessing that the "Apple Philosophy" is to deliberately set itself apart from the mainstream by refusing to endorse the dominant standards. I know Microsoft and Sony do this as a matter of course - and then come up with their own standards that everybody else has to comply with. So kudos to Apple for standing up for itself (I suppose)!

    * There are places where Windows 7 can be obtained for free but the cost of the license is only 1/3 of the problem. Taking time to upgrade is the main problem, plus the fact that Windows 7 requires that you upgrade the hardware also, or at least put in (a lot) extra RAM.

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