Battery-when to charge?

Discussion in 'iPad Help' started by CMFox, Jun 19, 2010.

  1. CMFox

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    This certainly seems like a stoopid question, but the more I try to figure this out the more I don't get it. I've read the posts on this forum, read Apple's battery info and I'm more confused for all this info.

    What I think I know:
    Apple recommends 1x a month running the iPad's battery down to 0, till it shuts off and then recharge back to 100%. This helps the battery maintain its full charging capacity for longer.

    Then the area that gets so grey:
    In the past with an electronic device like my phone or camera or laptop, whether I use em some, a lot, a little-during the day, once home I charge them up for the next day. Regardless of whether they need charging or not, I will "top them off" to start at 100% charged in the morning.

    But with an iPad should we keep running the battery down until it gets to 20%, 10%, 5% before recharging it. OR?! is it okay to plug it in in the evening b4 bed, even if its at 75%, or 63% and "top it off" for the next day?

    CM
    battery illiterate or perhaps over thinking things?
     
  2. Matth3w

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    I'm like you in that I top off my phone every night. I don't do it to my iPad, but only because normal use I usually get 3 days of charge out of it.

    Don't worry about plugging it in, there are circuits that prevent it from overcharging.

    All batteries have a finite lifespan, true...but that lifespan is not going to be such that by charging your iPad every night if you so desire that your battery is going to be dead in 6 months of even a year.

    The iPhone has been out since 2007ish, and if that was the case you would see people complaining all over the place about how their battery has gone to crap.

    It's certainly not a stupid question, as the only stupid question is the one not asked (I know it's cliche, but for the most part it's true), so I think you are just worrying about it a little too much. You're fine in topping it off every night. If I needed to, I would do the same. I just know unless I am traveling that it is going to make it several days on one charge so I'm too lazy to charge it lol. I leave it in my stand on my computer desk most nights.
     
  3. Abrennan

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    I thought that a few years ago they started making batteries that didn't need to be powered down totally as the memory function of batteries had been improved. I guess it may be that seeing as the iPad is always on, even when the screen is powered off, the battery needs some form of maintenance like a reboot.
     
  4. Gabi

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    Hmmm, I never let it it go down to 0% yet. I guess I should do it once a month ...?
     
  5. Roundplay

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    I always wondered about this with apple laptops. Because most people I know leave them plugged in almost all day at the office, except when going to a meeting or conference room. Does that hurt the battery to leave it always plugged in? Is it a waste of energy, or is it run off the plug power and conserve the battery?
     
  6. CMFox

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    Ah....so I'm not the only one confused about batteries.

    Matthew's answer was most reassuring.

    I too, wonder about letting the iPad run down to zero....or do them mean something less then zero.(see the bottom of this page: Apple - Batteries - iPad)

    As for my laptop, I too keep it plugged in and don't run it all the way down ever.

    CM
     
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    Its strange that Apple recommends a "deep discharge" once a month because that is not what the battery experts say about lithium batteries. Lithium batteries are supposed to be damaged by deep discharges, unlike NiCd and NiMH, and instead are much happier with "topping off".

    Lithium cells are also damaged by "trickle charging", unlike NiCd, NiMH and lead-acid. Many charging systems seem to get this part wrong. I've seen many laptop batteries die within 6mos (IBM seems to be one culprit) because owners would leave the laptop charging overnight or 24/7. Because of this, I instinctively do not let my Li-powered devices charge any more than needed and I try to avoid overnight charging. Leaving a Li battery charging overnight means that you trust the charging circuit designed to detect a full condition accurately and not let any additional current in -- some devices seem to be well designed, others not so... I have Li batteries still good from 14+ years ago.

    With the iPad, I'm generally running it down to about 30-40% before recharging and then trying to charge it during "waking hours" so I can remove the charge close to when it is full, +/-. We'll see with the iPad just how well designed the charging circuit is... given that it is a non-user-replaceable battery, the right practices are even more critical.
     
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  8. Matth3w

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    Please avoid spreading incorrect information if you can.



    There are overcharging circuits, you don't need to worry about this sort of thing.

    You are also wrong about the full discharge as well:

    In other words, just about your entire post was incorrect.

    I highly suggest an education at http://www.batteryuniversity.com

    I don't mean to be harsh, but hearsay without facts to back up your assertions leads many users, especially new users, astray. Apple has it set up the way it is for a reason.

    Most LiIon batteries last 2-3 years or more or 300-500 discharge cycles or more, provided you follow the above guidelines.
     
    #8 Matth3w, Jun 20, 2010
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  9. mslammers

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    LiOn Batteries

    Canon Camera says that if you don't fully discharge and then recharge when you first get one of their new smart batteries, you run the risk of the % charge value being inaccurate. The battery works just as good, you "may" notice that the % charge is slightly off. If that matters to you, follow their suggestion.
    All LiOn batteries have a cut off to prevent the battery from overheating and catching fire as sometimes happened years ago when the LiOn batteries were first used. Their use was suspended for a while until that got fixed. There is still an occasional overheating problem as was noticed with Apple notebooks a year or more ago. Again a short time problem that quickly got fixed. A recall I believe.
    Note that I am not a LiOn battery nor do I play one on TV, but I do have many that I use. Never had an overheating problem.
    Cheers.
     
  10. Matth3w

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    I didn't indicate there a problem with overheating or are you referring to someone else?
     

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