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AT&T sucks & lies

Discussion in 'iPad General Discussions' started by CMFox, Jun 27, 2010.

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    I don't have a lot of experience with 3G as I have no iPhone. But I am gaining experience with my 3G iPad.

    I am currently traveling on I 80 west of Lincoln, Nebraska. I am passing multiple cell towers. I can barely load a page. It takes minutes not seconds to load a map or get a weather report. My connection is showing AT&T at 2-3 bars but it has an E or circle (like a donut) after it. I don't know what those mean. While I would expect spotty coverage in lesser traveled areas this is a major east west interstate.

    I keep thinking of all those bogus AT&T commercials bragging about their 3G coverage. I call bull*^%t.

    What does E & the donut mean anyway?

    CM
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    The E means "Edge", which is the slower data method before there was 3G. So you in fact do not have 3G coverage where you are at. But, 3G is spotty in rural areas, it is mainly for larger towns and metro areas......
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    Don't tell that Seadog, he thinks AT&T is awesome. AT&T sucks monkey balls. Look at their nationwide coverage map. Notice all the blue that is "data coverage". Which, by the way, is not just 3G, but EDGE as well. Now zoom in and watch the 3G blue disappear and get replaced by the EDGE blue.

    EDGE means that you are on the EDGE of 56k coverage.
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    It is almost given that AT&T sucks in most of the states. Personally, AT&T around my area doesn't suck and it actually surpasses that of Verizon, Sprint and T-mobile so I kind of lucked out there.

    If you want to check the area coverage for 3G, go to the AT&T's website and see what area is covered and try to compare it to Verizon or Sprint. Verizon has more coverage area but their 3G speed is not up to AT&T's. Sprint also has good 3G speed but their coverage is the least of the three. From that point, you can decide whether you want to do myfi instead or not. You do pay a bit more that AT&T's but if it is that bad in your area, it's probably better to pay a little more and have a working 3G than paying $30 a month and have a pretty non-functioning 3G.
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    Coverage does not imply an AT&T owned tower. You could be roaming on someone elses network and not considered priority traffic. Also, travelling in a moving object will also affect data transfer rates as the transmission/reception signals are constantly moving as well.
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    I live on Long Island and have free wifi in almost all areas (Optimum Online subscriber and just about every street is wired with either Optimum or Time Warner). I was waiting at Laguardia Airport the other day and was watching a movie using the Netflix app and the 3G connection (the wifi at the airport is $7.50 per day). No difference in the movie playing from a wifi connection. Glad that I live where I do.:)
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    In a moving car, you will surely have bad reception. Try stopping for a minute or so. Pull off at an exit or rest stop and try again. When you are moving, the angular relationship between you and the tower is constantly changing, thus making data transmission very hard. Much harder than phone.
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    As of a year ago, Wired magazine data did not agree...
    Verizon Leads, AT&T Runs Last in Wired.com’s 3G Speed Test | Gadget Lab | Wired.com
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    I personally think all carriers have a long way to go. If you are in rural areas, you can not rely on anyone having decent 3G service. AT&T is more upfront about their lack of coverage. They also operate a dual system which means their voice and data are handled separately. If there is a lot of voice traffic, Verizon will dump data users, while AT&T will not. Cell service is not as reliable as people might think. In an earlier life, I was a microwave technician for the military. Signal strengths are dependent on a number of parameters. A major example is when traveling through mountainous areas. Once you get off the major highways and cities, you will get very limited coverage. What I found irritating about Verizon is that they show coverage in many of the mountain areas of Colorado that I know for a fact that is not covered. I should know since I am in the areas on a regular basis, and Verizon is my phone carrier. AT&T is not any better, though they sometimes have coverage in areas not covered by Verizon.
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    Seadog:

    I don't expect the lickety split downloads I get sitting next to a wi fi. But from looking at the AT&T map, watching the commercials where the guy is flipping postcards all over the AT&T map to show it's exceptional 3 G coverage I do expect on a major interstate in FLAT country to do better then I am. If iPad & AT&T expected users to only be in major metro areas why all the maps etc?

    Once in the mountains, on lonely side roads I won't have such expectations. So I personally don't think AT&T has told us the truth about their 3Gcoverage. It appears to be all smoke and mirrors.
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    Matthew I can't find your zoom AT&T map but I did find this one: Cellular Maps.com-3G Coverage Comparison:AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, US Cellular & Verizon

    It certainly tells an ugly story. Once again WHY? would Apple make an exclusive agreement with AT&T?



    I'll, check the coverage here if I can get it to download. Is there a good URL for this?
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    Coverage in most of the plains states, especially north of Kansas, is pathetic from any carrier. The lower the population density, the less chance of coverage. The pity is those are the ones that need coverage most due to the lack of land lines to landowners.

    My only point is do not take anyone's coverage maps for fact. They will all lie to you, just on different details. Independent testing has shown AT&T has the best 3G service, but Verizon has a larger coverage area. And both are using the same backbone system which is in great need of an overhaul. From what I have read, AT&T is investing in upgrading their backbone structure more than their 3G. Verizon is putting their money in towers. The AT&T strategy suggest they might be getting their system ready to handle 4G. Verizon may suffer if their 4G system does not have the infrastructure to handle the traffic.
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    Try more recent data.

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    Whether or not it is fast or slow makes no difference if there is NO coverage. AT&T doesn't cover the area in 3G they say they do. 3G has two parts to it, coverage then speed. AT&T is missing that important first step. If one can't load speed makes no difference.

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    Angular relationship changing and making reception difficult? I've never heard of that one before, and I've worked in radio for over 25 years.

    I chose not to get the iPad 3G, and got the WiFi version instead.

    I purchased the Spring 4G Overdrive box instead. Yes, I know it's more expensive, but it works at 4G speeds here in Central CA.

    On Memorial Day weekend, my son, grandson, and I went to Fresno. My son was using the Overdrive with his laptop all the way to Fresno. When we left Fresno, my son was on his laptop, and my grandson had my Netbook, both connected to the internet via Sprint's 4G Overdrive. I know my son was only surfing the internet, but my grandson was streaming a cartoon video. They both used it all the way home, a distance of about 60 miles... it never missed a beat, and the video never stopped.

    I also hear people in the San Joaquin Valley of CA complain about AT&T, and especially those that live in the San Francisco area.

    I believe that AT&T has oversold it's network and needs to invest in it's infrastructure.
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    Nope, shouldn't be the case at all. Your movement in a car is not fast enough or far enough...you aren't running away from a walkie talkie signal, you're running away from cell towers.

    I use my Verizon phone for turn by turn navigation all the time, it works flawlessly.

    The reason driving with AT&T gives you spotty coverage with 3G is because AT&T has so many gaps in coverage, not because you are driving. So you are constantly driving between good and bad spots.

    AT&T has poor 3G coverage when you compare the entire nation, especially outside of major cities. That's just a fact.

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    Sometimes I only get 200K to 300K sending and receiving, but lately I have been getting up to 3000K receiving. And mind you this is all from the same location.

    Don't forget AT&T has made good on all of its' 1993 promises.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kfIFDX9kE4"]YouTube - AT&T "You Will"[/ame]
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    I guess it's time to sell your ipad.

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