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Discussion in 'iPad General Discussions' started by ipadder474, Feb 21, 2012.
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It is sad but that is the way the world works. We want high end devices but do not want to pay a small fortune for them. Apple would never be able to make any of their devices in the USA because of its strict policies on how it operates the factories (or contracts them out). On the other hand there was another article about one of these factories opening up and people were lined up for miles in a hope of getting a job.
There is no way these or any product like them will ever be Mfg. in the USA, we no longer have the people who can or would be able do this type of work.
Apple and every other manufacturer has a say in peoples pay. It's called using companies who have good track records for paying people fair wages. I don't know how we assume that it's not Apples fault because they farm all their work out. It's like, hey guys, this place you are farming out to pays people nothing and treats them like crap.
So Apple could CHOOSE not to business with them. The "blood" is on their hands just as much, maybe even more. Not just an Apple thing, but they are guilty of it.
And, anyone saying we simply cannot make these products here is full of it. Sounds like a card right out of the "corporate outsourcing is good" deck.
I thought the Nightline episode was more interesting than it was informative. As an Apple consumer I was interested to see how/where the products are made and who's making them, but I didn't really learn a lot I didn't already know. I did learn that Foxconn made efforts earlier on than I thought to consult with mental health professionals to deal with the suicide issue.
It was nice that Apple/Foxconn provided the access and I think Apple is genuinely interested in ensuring workers are treated fairly and have safe working conditions. But let's face it, this was also a huge PR move designed to try and dampen the criticism that's followed the recent bad publicity they and their suppliers have been getting. And even though they were given "unprecedented access", they didn't really interview workers under conditions that would allow them to speak all that freely.
I think the most memorable scene for me was probably the mass of people waiting and then basically stampeding to apply for available jobs. And then to learn that they accept 80% of those applicants. I think part of the reason for the high number of accepted applicants is that many of the migrant workers who once flocked to the coastal cities like Shenzhen stayed home after the Chinese New year, whether trying to find work there instead or wanting to stay with families they only see once a year when working in the far away cities. Some Chinese companies have even begun moving their factories inland to follow the labor.
The bottom line is always gonna be about the money. If those workers are to get what we perceive to be a fair wage, or fairer at least, you can bet Foxconn and other suppliers will pass that cost along to Apple and the other tech companies using them. The question will become how much of that will Apple take from it's shareholders and/or our wallets?
These workers, virtually 250,000 of them, are kids. They are migrants. They come into the city to get these jobs, they work for a few years, they send all their money home, and they are gone.
This is not a career.
We have a factory in China. Our operators go through a 6 month training period because the job is skilled. They sign a three year contract, however after CNY or another long holiday, many do not return. Why? They have made enough money they can go home now...
It's an expensive proposition for us to train these kids only to have them run hope before they have finished.
What's the option? Pay them more? They will leave sooner for home... Hire only those who want to make a career with us? The factory cities, the industrial zones that China has established, are not where these kids want to settle down.
It's a real challenge, and we only employee 1200 operators. I can only imagine how Foxconn desks with 250,000 at one location.
For some this is the case, yes. But IMO we should be very careful about making overly broad generalizations about anything having to do with China, especially the motives and goals of it's workforce.
My observations come from direct experience trying to maintain a trained workforce in a factory city in China. The are not idle speculation from the other side of the globe.
Just curious, why not try a workforce right here in your own back yard? If they get a few bucks in their pockets and then go home, how does that possibly help? At least here in the USA we won't go home after a few paychecks. Right?
Doesn't stability count for something? I mean, when I hear about workers committing suicide I'd think it would be within my best interest to assess what we are doing. I'm not a business owner so I probably don't know all the ins and outs. But, common sense dictates you'd want a stable, happy workforce, not one filled with people who bolt on a whim or kill themselves.
Not arguing with your experience or observations. Just saying that they don't translate to every migrant worker in China.