Concerns buying iPad for paperless office work
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I would like to go paperless in my work as a Systems Engineer. My typical working day consists of meetings where I sit and ...
Concerns buying iPad for paperless office work
I would like to go paperless in my work as a Systems Engineer. My typical working day consists of meetings where I sit and talk to people about their requirements. Based on those requirements I provide a course (I'm a trainer too), consult my colleagues or set up a CRS (Customer Requirement Specification).
During these meetings I use a note pad (pen and paper) to take notes. The notes are entered in chronologic order and if I need to access the notes I need to have my note pad around. I have multiple projects and multiple tasks within those projects so my notes are scattered across the pages and it usually takes some time to find what I'm looking for. Using a laptop to enter notes is not a client-friendly solution, because the client only sees the back of the screen and this prevents an open discussion. Additionally, sometimes I lay my note pad on the table to make a drawing in order to show the client what I mean. Hard to do with a laptop.
So I was thinking maybe an iPad is the solution.
I have the following requirements and concerns:
1. unintentional touch
When sketching (drawing) I will put my hand on the surface I'm drawing on. On paper, nothing unexpected will happen. How about when I lay my hand on the iPad surface while drawing?
2. App for text + draw + picture
I will typically want to add text (handwritten), drawings (hand drawn) and images (taken with the built-in camera) into one single document. It would be nice if the app could convert the hand written text to digital text by using OCR software. Any suggestions for such an app?
I have 3 Macs, all running SL. No iCloud there to sync contacts. Is there any way to sync contacts between the iPad and my Macbook? Syncing using Bluetooth or even a USB cable would be fine.
4. Which iPad?
I'm not overly tech-savvy and I'm not really interested in the latest and greatest, just for the hell of it. I'm interested in pure functionality and my guess is that even an iPad 1 would do the trick for me, provided the processing power is enough for what I want to do. If I want to buy new, iPad2 or iPad4 are now my options. An iPad mini is too small for what I want to do. I don't need SIM, wifi will do because I'll always have my android phone w/ tethering at hand.
Any suggestions on which iPad for my objectives are very welcome.
One thing I've learned as a Systems Engineer is that it's possible not to be aware of some things I don't know. So: what do you people know that I don't but should, regarding what I want to do?
02-02-2013 11:02 AM
Hmm....I'm wondering if a Surface Pro tablet (or an equivalent, non-Microsoft tablet) would be better for you. Or, perhaps a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (I'm referring to the one that comes with a pen, in case I got the name wrong).
The reason I mentioned these is because they have digitizers built in...the iPad does not. So, writing on the screen is not going to yield the best experience, though it can be done and I have seen people do it, and I have done it myself on a limited basis (these have palm rejection schemes). But writing on a screen with a pen with a tip just works better overall than using a fat-tipped stylus, IMO. I use a Lenovo x220t, which is a convertable tablet PC, running Win7. I use OneNote and I can write, include images, and project the image to a larger screen. This does your #2 perfectly. You can put your palm on the screen and it is smart enough to not register (it detect the tip of the pen, so it can reject other pressure points as they don't come from the tip of the pen). I do wish it was much lighter, though, which is why i'm looking for a Windows 8 tablet with a digitizing screen (not just a touch screen like what the iPad has). I'm not keen on Win8, but it comes with these devices and it does have better pen support and is designed for touch screen input.
You can indeed sync contacts via iCloud. I do mine via Google, but that is not the only way.
If you do get an iPad, I'd get the iPad 4. The high res screen will be of benefit to you. That is the downside to the Samsung device, IMO. It has a relatively low resolution screen. I would expect them to up their game this year, however, with a new model with a high-res screen.
But if you want to use an iPad, there are apps that handle handwriting. I don't like fooling with handwriting to text conversion, though, because my handwriting is really not so good, since I type so much these days. But I use my x220t for handwritten technical talks several times weekly. It works very well.
Thank you for your elaborate reply and advice. I will surely check out the digitisers, although I do prefer Apple as a brand and OS. I had a look at the x220t, but it looks overly heavy for what I'd like to use it for. I feel that only a Galaxy or iPad type of device (light and thin resembling paper note pad dimensions) will be accepted by my coworkers as something to use on a regular basis. And this probably is the most important requirement, more important than ease of screen input & pen support.
So I will have a look at the Galaxy and the iPad. I'm 40 years old but I feel like a stone age relic because I've never used any touch screen devices except my Samsung Galaxy Young smartphone. My local Apple reseller said he sells pen-shaped pointing devices for an iPad that have a soft but small tip. Now that you gave me the words to look for, I ran a google search and came up with these:
The current state of styli and the iPad: does the stylus still blow it? | Ars Technica
Stylus with palm rejection
Good read and you are right about the iPad not being the best choice for writing on it with a Stylus.
Will be continued.
iPad won't do it. Look at a windows tablet like the Asus B121. You can draw, write and edit on screen with the stylus, just like using a pen. Expensive but worth the money. Mine runs windows 7 ultimate and a full MS office. They are awesome and only slightly larger than ipad. Also comes with a case and bluetooth keyboard. Very portable.
Concerns buying iPad for paperless office work
I have clients using pens with the iPad 4 and they work fine. I suggest trying one to see the results
There are many apps that support drawing and using the pens
I am happy to provide the names when I get home later today
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Hi Devynquinn and Colin,
A bit of a contradiction here (which is good for the discussion) and yes Colin I would really appreciate the brands/types of the pens and the apps you think work OK on the iPad4. Devynquinn I will have a look at the Windows tablets, thanks for sharing your experience.
I would like to say a word of thanks to you for helping me out the way you do. This appears to be a very friendly forum, unlike some other forums (in the area of photography) that I once visited. I think I may stay here!
Back to the topic:
My Systems Engineering practise (see below) is all about helping customers that are not an export in the field of interest develop a solid list of requirements before jumping to solutions. For the type of products I'm looking into, I find myself to be the "customer" and I'm certainly no expert. But I do want to save myself from ordering product A and be left wanting product B. This is why I could use some help building my Customer Requirement Specification (see explanation below). Theoretically, I could build a CRS and go create my own solution based upon that. But in this field, I can't develop my own solution. I'll have to choose between ready products that are there in the market. Here is where it's very important to be aware of any hidden requirements I may have, because the product I'm about to order may serve multiple requirements (my own, but also those of the stakeholders like family members and coworkers) that are still hidden.
Customers are: me, my wife, my children aged 4-7
Stakeholders are: my wife, my coworkers (my wife is a stakeholder too because she won't be amused if I go sit on the couch all night with a new toy instead of doing things together)
So far, my CRS has the following requirements:
A. Functional requirements:
#1. The system should offer a Paperless Office experience for all office tasks: take notes during meetings, compose single documents with text, drawings and photos, create instant PDFs, email PDFs immediately to the meeting members, build an archive per project and within per topic
#2. The system should be useable for at least 6 hours between battery charges
#3. The system should be able to be operated by an external keyboard
#4. The system should perform the tasks leading from this CRS at a speed that is acceptable for a business environment (no annoying delays)
#5. The system should be suitable for taking notes with a stylus pen device for 6 hours a week
#6. The system should be suitable for taking notes with typed text for 3 hours a day
#7. The total amount of paperless content produced (text, drawings and pictures) is estimated at 15~25 pages (letter/A4 format) a week
B. Interface requirements
#1. The system should have connectivity with Apple Macbooks and Mac Pro (home environment)
#2. The system should have connectivity with Microsoft Windows workstations (work environment)
#3. The system should produce documents that are readable on Windows Systems by my coworkers
#4. The system should produce documents that are easy to comment on digitally (on Windows Systems) by my coworkers (I don't know if I should require this)
#5. The system should be able to connect to the internet through any wireless network (wifi), at home, at work, while travelling through android phone tethering
C. Aspect requirements
#1. The system should meet safety requirements set by the office system adminstrator (data security, firewall etc.)
#1. The system should withstand daily use
#2. The system should withstand daily transport per back pack (The North Face Surge II) on a commuter train
#3. The system should withstand occasional use by children aged 4-10
Based on what I've been reading so far there seems to be a preference for non-Apple brands if entering data with a pen is the main purpose. But there must be more we can do with a tablet and I am wondering what other things you think I or my family members could wish for. I would hate to buy a device based my "paperless office" requirements alone, only to find we made the wrong choice.
So please shoot me all the requirements you think we might have as a family.
Systems Engineering approach
My Systems Engineering job is all about assisting customers that aren't experts in the field of interest. In Systems Engineering, we define the requirements first ("Customer Requirement Specification" or CRS), without jumping to solutions, and we try to work with those requirements towards a set of options, make a trade-off using the CRS itself and finally choose a solution and verify that it meets all requirements listed in the CRS. It's a completely different process compared to buying consumer products because the latter is all about wanting to buy what's offered and what the neighbour has (my 7 -year old daughter wants a Nintendo DS because her girlfriend has one). After the CRS is ready, it may become apparent that the requirements can be met by Solution A, B or C. Alternatively, it may turn out that one solution can't serve all requirements, or that all requirements can be served by existing solutions and nothing should be developed or acquired. After the system is defined, a System Requirements Specification (SRS) will follow (say a SRS for a tablet) in order to select the right tablet and accessories for the tasks required. In the end, we as Systems Engineers hope to ultimately serve the client's needs in such a way that he/she is completely satisfied and won't be faced with a lacking solution within the period specified.
You can accomplish this with either the iPad, Android, or Windows tablets. But you can very likely do this *best* with a device that has a digitizing screen that uses pen rather than a capacitive touch screen that uses a sytlus. Actually, what I'm calling a pen is really a stylus, but people are using that term with pens that work with touchscreen only devices.
There are now tablets that run Windows and Office (with OneNote). These tablets are about the same weight as an iPad. You can get keyboards for them too. Here is an example:
Last edited by AQ_OC; 02-03-2013 at 06:14 AM.
This one might be better:
This is very similar to how the Lenovo X220t works...but this device is a tablet and comes in a tablet form factor. The x220t is a convertable laptop and is heavier than these Win8 tablets. Note that the screen detects the pen...this does not happen on a capacitive touch screen device (iPad). You can do more precise "inking" with a digitizing screen. On a touch screen, the typical way to do this is zoom in close, write, and then zoom out. In that way, you can write with fine detail.
I'm hoping that the next iPad has a digitizing screen in addition to a touch screen.
Last edited by AQ_OC; 02-03-2013 at 06:19 AM.
In addition to the Samsung line, I'm also going to consider this one:
I don't know why this guy made this video all square like this, but there are many others to look at.
I watched your videos and yes they look better for stylus work than a couple of iPad/notesplus videos I watched. Thank you for your links, very helpful.
My next step now is really to find out what the people on this forum use their tablets for, and whether or not the iPad is doing those things better than other brands. So what are your favourite apps? What are you using this thing for? And why Apple and not Galaxy or vice versa? I know there are 10s of thousands of apps but just add your top 5 here below. By doing so I can see what you do with it, complete my CRS and start the trade off.
Please do take in account that I have young children who may like to play games or get educated on a tablet.
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