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    How many of you jailbroke your iPad 2 running iOS 5 & then decided to go back to stock? How many of you that are still jailbroken or were & had issues with the jailbreak (apps force closing, etc)?

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    Thanks for stopping by the Hacking Section and asking about the pros and cons of the subject. I guess I had hoped that all of these things were mostly covered in our stickies here and in the various sub-forums, which you did say you were researching. There is a wealth of information such as:

    Jailbreaking Explained

    and as for “jewels of jailbreaking”, well this is a good start (along with the other threads in the apps & tweaks sub-section):

    Ultimate List of Jailbreak Tweaks

    I guess what I’m struggling with is if you are a seasoned Adnroid rooter, why you are so much on the fence about jailbreaking. After reading the stickies here, there should be nothing which scares you off from trying it, since it can be easily undone. It very much is a case of, if you want to try it out, go for it. If you don’t like it, restore your device in iTunes and it’s back to stock Apple IOS. No harm done.

    The problem responses above came about specifically because you asked for non-jailbreakers to tell you why they don’t jailbreak. It should come as no surprise that you get a few bigoted anti-jailbreaking replies.

    Also, on the subject of piracy, I’m not sure I recognise that in the Android rooting world that “no one ever speaks of piracy or stealing apps”. Far too many folks think both jailbreaking and rooting is just about being able to get paid apps for free. You will hopefully understand that your opening comment, finishing “however, I’m spending a fortune on apps to do it!”, then leading into an enquiry about jailbreaking could easily be interpreted as meaning you are looking for a way to spend less on apps, possibly by getting them for free? It’s good to hear that’s not the case, but forgive us for our concern as we have a very strong and firm anti-piracy stance here on these forums, as Marilyn’s response to the other posters clearly demonstrates. Jailbreaking is our passion, but it's nothing to do with piracy.

    On the subject of stability, I’ve seen plenty of Android roms which have instabilities in them and have required fixes. I’ve had a few myself which broke SMS capabilities. Like all these things, if you are an early adopter then you accept that you are playing on the bleeding edge. Jailbreak apps and tweaks are no different. If you are very risk averse, wait until a tweak / app has been out for a while and had all of its bugs addressed. Don’t accept new updates until folks have tested it out and satisfied you that it’s stable. One of the advantages of joining a community like this one is you can ask those sorts of questions!

    Now I’ve got that off my chest , lets look at the concerns you raised to see if we can get you sorted out:

    * Think of jailbreaking in the same way as rooting. It provides root access to the file system and lets you install unsigned code, in other words apps / tweaks which Apple do not approved on the app store and which can alter IOS and how it works.

    * You can always undo it by restoring your device in iTunes. Similar to flashing a stock rom back onto an Android device. Restoring wipes everything, but you can restore your backup including all apps, media, settings, etc. All you would be missing is anything jailbreak related.

    * I don’t have a definitive list of what providers check for JB devices, but these are the ones I know of (mostly from xCon):

    AlwaysOnPC, Bloomberg Anywhere, Bright House, Cablevision, Cisco M-Learning, Cox iPad, DirecTV iPad, Flixster ,Golden Cinema, Good For Enterprise, Grimm’s Fairy Tale apps, Hanabank, KB starPlus, Maxis Movies, Samsungcard, SkyGo, Time Warner Cable, TV d’Orange, Verizon OnDemand/FlexView

    To finish off, if you want to look into the process check this tutorial out - TUTORIAL - Jailbreak the iPad2 on 5.0.1 with Absinthe

    And my advice is, if you think you want to give it a go, do it soon. Apple will release IOS 5.1 in early March. There will be no jailbreak for that version for a while (perhaps a very long while). So now is the time to try out the 5.0.1 jailbreak safe in the knowledge you can restore any time and get back to where you started. Just remember to back up using iTunes or iCloud before you jailbreak so you have all your latest settings and data saved to fall back on if needed.

    Hope that helps, but please do ask more questions if you have them or I've missed anything which isn't covered elsewhere in the Hacking Section. Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikespe View Post
    How many of you jailbroke your iPad 2 running iOS 5 & then decided to go back to stock? How many of you that are still jailbroken or were & had issues with the jailbreak (apps force closing, etc)?
    Again, I'm not sure what value you will get from asking those questions like that, but rest assured there is NOTHING unstable related to a jailbreak. It's a process just like rooting. Instability comes about when folks install apps or tweaks which are not compatible with the iPad and the version of IOS they are running. A badly coded or incompatible tweak that hooks into the kernel on any device will make it unstable, I don't care what platform it is. The list of tweaks I pointed you to above are all safe for the iPad based on the version numbers noted on the thread. There are many hundreds more not in the list... You just need to approach is sensibly. Have a look here to read a bit about Safe Mode which is designed to protect you if you install something which does not work as expected - HOW TO - Use Safe Mode to maintain a stable jailbreak

    If you decide to jailbreak, why not do it and install absolutely nothing from Cydia (the JB app store) for a few days? Then you can see that it makes zero difference to the OS. It is simply rooting the file system. Once you are satisfied with that, you can start installing apps / tweaks from Cydia.
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    @f4780y...interesting nick ;-)...Thanks for the GREAT reply! This is the information I was looking for! To answer your question thaty if I am a seasoned Android rooter then why am I reluctant to jailbreaking my iPad...first off...my ipad is MUCH more expensive then the 2 tablets I own...LOL. But honestly, this is what I did before rooting my Android devices. I asked questions, learned about he process, the pluses & minues, what I can do with it, the dangers, etc...I educate myself. Since I am new to iOS I need to learn the little nuances of the OS and what to expect, what to look for if something is wrong, what to ask if I need help, terminology, etc...

    Most likely I WILL jailbreak my iPad...and after reading your reply I'm about 99% sure I will do it tonight...you gave me the missing pieces I needed to see what I might lose after JB...in regards to the apps you listed as checking for JB...the Time warner app is the only one I use...I only use it for the channel guide...but I can use Buddy TV instead. I wonder if the TW account app will do the same thing? I use that one to pay my bill & check account information...but I can always do that at their website.

    As for pirating, the only time I've installed a pirated app on my Android was when I wanted to check out the full version of an app but the free version didn't show me the other options and how they worked. I ended up buy the app after looking it through.

    The other thing I was worried about was with restoring back to the way I had things. with Android I make a backup "rom" with the recovery tool (ClockworkMod) it it saves an "image" of the way I left my tablet before doing anything. In the event of something going wrong I can go back to the way I "left off" ...I wanted to make sure I could do something similar with iOS...I knew iTunes would save my apps...but I didn't know if it would save app data, settings, passwords, accounts, etc...If by chance I want to go back...say when Apple updates to 5.1....I want to be able to get all my NON-Cydia apps back along with any settings & data...

    I am feeling more comfortable with the Jailbreaking process & the results after making this thread. I paid no attention to those who replied "don't jailbreak" or "go ahead & JB" but didn't say why either way? I've been reading the actual detailed responses not only to my thread but also to some of the threads you posted in your response (I told you I've been searching! ;-)...

    Thanks again for the help!

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    No problem. Also bear in mind with all those apps I listed above there IS a fix. You install the tweak called xCon and it stops them detecting the jailbreak and they should work as normal. The only exception is SkyGo (which is UK anyway, so you won't care about that). We are still waiting for a fix for that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by f4780y View Post
    No problem. Also bear in mind with all those apps I listed above there IS a fix. You install the tweak called xCon and it stops them detecting the jailbreak and they should work as normal. The only exception is SkyGo (which is UK anyway, so you won't care about that). We are still waiting for a fix for that one.
    Ya SEE!!! I didn't know there was a fix for those apps! I just learned something useful! It pays to ask! ;-)

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    Well...I'm Jailbroken! I feel like a kid on Christmas Day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikespe View Post
    Well...I'm Jailbroken! I feel like a kid on Christmas Day!
    Enjoy! You know where we are if you have any more questions
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    Quote Originally Posted by f4780y View Post
    I dont have a definitive list of what providers check for JB devices, but these are the ones I know of (mostly from xCon):

    AlwaysOnPC, Bloomberg Anywhere, Bright House, Cablevision, Cisco M-Learning, Cox iPad, DirecTV iPad, Flixster ,Golden Cinema, Good For Enterprise, Grimm’s Fairy Tale apps, Hanabank, KB starPlus, Maxis Movies, Samsungcard, SkyGo, Time Warner Cable, TV d’Orange, Verizon OnDemand/FlexView
    Wow... this is useful information... could it be added as a sticky and be updated over time as more are discovered (forgive me if it's already conveniently available, I hadn't spotted it). It could help potential jail breakers in their should I / shouldn't I decision making process. And help people who've already jail broken in problem diagnosis.
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    I used to jailbreak but I stopped it! I was very tired of the situation when a new firmware was out to wait until it was jail broken and then restoring everything back! Gettings more apps may sound more productive but it was actually less productive because every time I was upgrading firmware I was losing everything I had and I had to start over again! At the end of the say you don't need so much money to buy the apps you want! Also apps like appzapp help you find discounted or free apps, I bought most of the apps I wanted free or discounted with this tool!

    Don't jailbreak!

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