Well, if i'm not wrong in order to upgrade to IOS 5 when it'll come out i must have IOS 4.3.5 right? If this is not the case then like you suggested i won't bother upgrading to 4.3.5. So basically iorder to upgrade i gotta do a restore of myipad which will eliminate the jailbak but just after i do a full backup right? Then i follow the same procedure that i did for 4.3.4 right? So if i don't need IOS 4.3.5 to upgrade to IOS 5 i'll just do this if the procedure is the same when it'll come out^^ just one last question (hopefully^^) i can do the backup of the whole ipad so whatever it has (also savedgame data??) with ioenssh right? I just copy the whole folder and i should have a backup of the ipad(guess it'll take quite a while ^^) thanks everyone for help, i really really appreciate all the help, i only wish these things were easier to understand for me (i understand well english for my age it's just when it's technical then i don't udnerstand anything, sorry ) and i also wish i hadn't to be super sure of everything before i do something^^ thanks again everyone for your special kindness.