Point out specifically the things that he said that are wrong, because 99% is spot on.

Originally Posted by Matth3w

Point out specifically the things that he said that are wrong, because 99% is spot on.

Originally Posted by Deenybird

Winterboard is continuously updated and the few most recent versions have been working flawlessly. Winterboard has been nothing but perfect for me.

Perfect for you, but not everyone gets the same results on JB devices. Winterboard is buggy on my device as will as others who have posted on these forums about it causing them to no longer be able to relocate icons. I can post a screenshot if you would like.


Wrong. Using legally obtained ROMS will not break any laws.
You specificly mentioned NINTENDO, none their roms are legaly obtainable.



I do recommend changing your default ssh password. I will include this is my first post. However, the chances of getting hacked through SSH are akin to winning the lottery of getting struck by lightning. I doubt anyone can name someone personally who has ever had this trouble. (My freind who lives in Finland was) Regardless, changing the default password is a 10 second process and should indeed be done. BTW, can you name the virus you are afraid will be put onto your device because I would like to know.
here is a link: iPhone virus confirmed - iPod/iPhone - Macworld UK


A proper restore of the device will leave no traces at all.
Correct a proper resotore can leave no traces, but most regular users wont performe a proper restore.


I don't know which apps you are referring to, but I would recommend not downloading poorly written apps whether you are jailbroken or not.

One of the apps you suggest as a reason for JBing 'winterboard' has had memory leaks that have been addressed.


Instructions, requirements, screenshots, version info and more are provided for each jailbreak app. If it says it's only meant for the iphone, then don't download it.
slim to none of them say if they work on the ipad.


Statements like these need proof to back them up.


This is why apple has a review process for apps. So that none of them will be able to harm your device.

ROFL, do you know what goes on in the review process? a person loads the app on a device and tries out the app to see if they see anything strange or against the rules. They have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. Apple never gets to look at the source code of the apps sent in for review. This type or review is fine for non jailbroken devices, but apple doesnt test the app with jailbroken devices to see what the apps do when run on jailbroken devices.

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Dont get me wrong, I have Jailbroken my iPad. The need however gets less and less with each OS update, I probably wont JB after a stable OS 4.0 is out.


But people should know what there getting themselves into before JailBreaking.

Jailbreaking has become so simple that if someone cant or doesnt want to do it themself they probably know someone who knows how and has done it before.

Im sick of the number of people who have done something to mess up their iphone/ipod/ipad after jailbreaking because they had a freind do it for them and then had a free for all with all the stuff in cydia. They then come to me wanting me to fix the device.

Originally Posted by Deenybird

Nice list of jailbreak pros, but you may want to include some of the cons, like:
-Potential security risks
-Voids Apple warranty
-Some jb apps can be buggy to the os (like OpenSSH can make the wifi icon disappear)

Already touched on the first two points. And I am running ssh without any wifi icon issues at all.

If you want to restore from a jb you shouldn't simply go through the restore option in iTunes as there will still be traces of the jb on your iPad. Instead, you need go through the recovery process (doesn't take much longer) detailed here: How To: Put your iPad into Recovery Mode

Good point I will add this to my first post as well.

Thanks for updating the op on the third point, but the potential security risks I was talking about were not the OpenSSH thing (although all people who use OpenSSH should change their default password). The potential security risk is that you are running apps on your iPad that have not been reviewed by Apple and so you cannot be guaranteed that the apps aren't doing something malicious. It's very easy for someone to write an app that does exactly what it says it will (like play SNES roms) but it is also doing something bad in the background. The Cydia apps are probably safe, but anyone who jailbreaks better be careful about where they get their jailbreak apps from.

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Originally Posted by Deenybird

Thanks for updating the op on the third point, but the potential security risks I was talking about were not the OpenSSH thing (although all people who use OpenSSH should change their default password). The potential security risk is that you are running apps on your iPad that have not been reviewed by Apple and so you cannot be guaranteed that the apps aren't doing something malicious. It's very easy for someone to write an app that does exactly what it says it will (like play SNES roms) but it is also doing something bad in the background. The Cydia apps are probably safe, but anyone who jailbreaks better be careful about where they get their jailbreak apps from.

Cydia also lets anyone host their own repositories. Could be simple for someone to host a repo as well with a list of apps that are not what they say they are. Don't add any extra repositories unless you know they are safe for sure.

Wow, what a great thread! Thanks Deenybird! However, this can go on forever in the spirit (no pun intended ) of PC vs. Mac! Just remember to play nice! lol

Brilliant thread deenybird, just a thought maybe put in your first post that jailbreaking is done at your own risk? Just a thought. But all in all very good write up

Originally Posted by Matth3w

Who cares if it voids the warranty? You can easily restore your iPad before taking it back. I had to do that when I owned my iPhone.

Assuming that the restore works, and that Apple doesn't realize that you invalidated your warranty with the jailbreak. Apple has refused to provide warranty service to a smoker because his Mac smelled of cigarette smoke when he returned it for service on a defective drive. It's not hard to imagine that they would refuse to fix a jailbroken iPad.

If you decide to jailbreak, you should begin with the assumption that your iPad is disposable. The odds are you'll be OK, but there aree no guarantees.

How would the restore not work?

Originally Posted by Matth3w

How would the restore not work?

Um, yeah, my question exactly.

When MikesTooLz said:

Correct a proper resotore can leave no traces, but most regular users wont performe a proper restore.

I went, ***? (Silently, to myself, so no one would be offended.) But, seriously, ***? What's a "proper restore," Mr TooLz, and how is it done? Jus' askin...