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    Newbie Q: Accessing unlocked Wi-Fi networks. Possible? Anonymous?

    A while back, I got an iPad 2, my first tablet PC. This led to my first attempts to use public Wi-Fi hotspots. I went to a McDonald's restaurant and linked to its Wi-Fi connection. While scanning for the McDonald's network, I noticed some other networks and one of them was not locked. I assume it was from an adjacent building housing several small businesses. I wondered if I could use/join that network just as easily as I could join the McDonald's network (i.e., with no password required). I didn't try to connect to it.

    But it got me to wondering: assume I was out in public and needed to get online but didn't know of any public Wi-Fi hotspots like McDonald's. Assume I have the iPad check for local networks and it shows one that's not locked. Could I connect to that just by clicking on it?

    Which got me to further wondering: if I connected to that unlocked network (1) would the network owner even know, unless they were actively monitoring their network and (2) if they saw I was connected, would they have any way to track my identity?

    Two notes:
    (1) I realize that a personal/business network is something private, that the network owner probably wouldn't want the general public piggybacking on (just like I don't want people piggybacking on the wireless network at my house). I don't know the legal implications, but I'm just talking a general principle.

    (2) I'm not up to something bad. I'm just curious re: whether unlocked Wi-Fi connections are accessible by simply clicking "Join the network" and if I could be identified. I figured that if I was in a bind for a network connection, this might be a "backup plan" if it's all that was available.

    Thanks for helping me learn about this aspect of Wi-Fi use.

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    This is an ethical quandry. Assuming you are at a business with public wifi, it might be safe to assume that other open wifi locations near that, are also a public service. Yet using their service while not being a customer, is impolite. Think of it like public restrooms. How many times do people go into restaurant, convenience store, or Wal-Mart, just to use the bathroom. I often will buy something like a soft drink, just to feel less guilty. I have no problems with pulling into the parking lot of a McD's just to use their wifi, but considering how much money McD's makes from me, I feel they are well compensated. But how would you feel about someone coming into your house to use your bathroom, without asking?

    I do not think legality places as much of a part of this, as does ethics. You can join a network and not be detected. It should be the responsibility of the wifi owner to lock their access, but even so, it is not proper. It is like finding out that their door is unlocked. You can go through their house, but you would not because it is a violation of good manners. But if there was an emergency, that open door may be a way to save an injured neighbor. It is up to each of us to determine what constitutes an emergency. This whole issue of not being able to find a wifi spot is one reason why I use 3G services. I do not have to stop to access what I need. I like to be able to ride as a passenger and find gas stations, Wal-Marts (for pit stops), and eateries. It is a great asset.

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    It's that simple. Unsecured residential wifi and wifi hotspots overlap here in my zip code. It is so plentiful here you can use a iPod touch as a free phone with Skype. I had to do this for a while when my land phone shut down because of my neighbors cox phone system conflicting with my land phone for weeks. Decided to leave it off and transfer my number to an iPhone.
    If I had to I have no problem using residential wifi to check my email but my phone and iPad are 3G grandfathered unlimited and more than twice as fast as most wifi except for the 4/1 meg speeds at the Honda dealership. Just more convenient to use my own.
    I always use a VPN on anything that is not my own system.
    Have my own secure wifi set up at home(CradlePoint MBR1200 router and*DOCSIS 3.0) but I do use my neighbors cox business ultimate wifi at home sometimes. My speeds are 3m/.50kbps Hers are around 60/5 I think.
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    Thanks Seadog and IGonz.

    So I'm correct that for an unlocked wireless access point, you just click "Join the network" or similar and it connects - no password required? And there's no way they can identify me - i.e., figure out that my iPad named (and appearing on the network as) "Fred's iPad" belongs to Fred Flintstone of Hoosgow, PA?

    Also, is this less safe than using McDonald's (for example), in terms of data security? In other words, if I use a password to access my Gmail account, are others on this local network more likely/able to intercept my information?

    Thanks again,
    SmileAndWave

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    Always remember that using another person's wifi without permission is theft of service. There are ways that they can detect who you are if they found out that you are on their system. Normally, if they are clueless about securing their wifi, they are clueless about intruder detection. Just do not count on it. If they catch you and want to make a case out of it, they can sue you for a lot more than you save. One other warning, if you join an unknown open network, you could be inviting a criminal to steal your information. Just as an open network is an invitation to steal the owners information, a crook can use the connection to retrieve information from you.

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    Seadog, that helps me understand the situation. I appreciate your advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmileAndWave
    Seadog, that helps me understand the situation. I appreciate your advice.
    As someone with an open network, as no Apple forum has been able to assist me on setting up WEP after my Ethernet died and I had to connect via a wireless adapter, I'd be a bit pissed off if a stranger piggy-backed the Wi-Fi that I'm paying for. Just saying.
    Business Wi-Fi, I have no problem with, but maybe stay off personal punters' punters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRadclyffe

    As someone with an open network, as no Apple forum has been able to assist me on setting up WEP after my Ethernet died and I had to connect via a wireless adapter, I'd be a bit pissed off if a stranger piggy-backed the Wi-Fi that I'm paying for. Just saying.
    Business Wi-Fi, I have no problem with, but maybe stay off personal punters' punters?
    ++++1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmileAndWave
    A while back, I got an iPad 2, my first tablet PC. This led to my first attempts to use public Wi-Fi hotspots. I went to a McDonald's restaurant and linked to its Wi-Fi connection. While scanning for the McDonald's network, I noticed some other networks and one of them was not locked. I assume it was from an adjacent building housing several small businesses. I wondered if I could use/join that network just as easily as I could join the McDonald's network (i.e., with no password required). I didn't try to connect to it.

    But it got me to wondering: assume I was out in public and needed to get online but didn't know of any public Wi-Fi hotspots like McDonald's. Assume I have the iPad check for local networks and it shows one that's not locked. Could I connect to that just by clicking on it?

    Which got me to further wondering: if I connected to that unlocked network (1) would the network owner even know, unless they were actively monitoring their network and (2) if they saw I was connected, would they have any way to track my identity?

    Two notes:
    (1) I realize that a personal/business network is something private, that the network owner probably wouldn't want the general public piggybacking on (just like I don't want people piggybacking on the wireless network at my house). I don't know the legal implications, but I'm just talking a general principle.

    (2) I'm not up to something bad. I'm just curious re: whether unlocked Wi-Fi connections are accessible by simply clicking "Join the network" and if I could be identified. I figured that if I was in a bind for a network connection, this might be a "backup plan" if it's all that was available.

    Thanks for helping me learn about this aspect of Wi-Fi use.
    Also, if you connect to an open, unknown network to mooch off of what they already paid for and get your personal information hacked into you kinda deserve what you get!!!

    Sent from my Verizon Black 64GB iPad 2 w IOS 5.1 Update From NYC!!! using iPF.net

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    IMHO, if I was one of these guys looking to steal personal data, I'd set up an open wireless network, maybe a mobile one in a busy place and let folks come to me......now I have no idea if thats what they do but I personally would think twice about joining an unknown open network.

    I also seem to recall that here in the UK there have been cases of folks being arrested and charged for parking out side homes with open networks and using their bandwidth. As mentioned above, it's theft.

    So as I see it you should think carefully before joining a network that you are uncertain about.

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