Originally Posted by SingingSabre

What does the App Store have to do with itunes? How is the App Store a crummy shopping experience? I haven't had any issues whatsoever with it. Much to the contrary, it's been one of the easiest things I've used.

The app store is part of iTunes. If it were easy to find stuff, App Shopper wouldn't be nearly as popular for finding apps.

Originally Posted by Kaykaykay

The app store is part of iTunes. If it were easy to find stuff, App Shopper wouldn't be nearly as popular for finding apps.

Odd. On my computer and on my iPad I see an icon for iTunes and one for AppStore. Honestly, you're not making any sense to me. I understand you feel App Shopper is superior to the App Store, but I fail to see a problem seeking a solution.

Also, I would gently remind you that this thread is about iTunes on Vista, not about the debatable downfalls of iTunes.

Originally Posted by SingingSabre

Also, I would gently remind you that this thread is about iTunes on Vista, not about the debatable downfalls of iTunes.

Actually ~ the title is asking if "iTunes is really that bad." Not really Vista per se'. So, really, both of you are kinda right!

My ipod had 32G of music. I initially lost all of my music with itunes when I had to charge my ipod battery back in May. I had backed up music but today I had to charge my battery again. Itunes popped open, it downloaded my husband's music from his ipad2 onto my ipod--not my accounts. My music disappeared again. And the ipod is now fried....can not turn it back on. So yes, itunes is awful........I give it a zero on a scale of 1-10.

Originally Posted by SingingSabre

Odd. On my computer and on my iPad I see an icon for iTunes and one for AppStore. Honestly, you're not making any sense to me. I understand you feel App Shopper is superior to the App Store, but I fail to see a problem seeking a solution.

Also, I would gently remind you that this thread is about iTunes on Vista, not about the debatable downfalls of iTunes.

Check iTunes on PC. The app store is separate only on iPad. The app store is part of iTunes' content offerings. And you appear not to see a connection with Vista, either, but that's a big problem for some people who use iTunes, as this thread and many posts elsewhere highlight.

Adding a photo link to save you head-scratching:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...pple_Store.jpg

Well, the iTunes runs fine on my MacBook and iPad, And I get many free apps for my iPad...

Originally Posted by Kaykaykay

Check iTunes on PC. The app store is separate only on iPad. The app store is part of iTunes' content offerings. And you appear not to see a connection with Vista, either, but that's a big problem for some people who use iTunes, as this thread and many posts elsewhere highlight.

Adding a photo link to save you head-scratching:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...pple_Store.jpg

Indeed you're right that the App Store is a part of iTunes...on Vista. If you had clarified that from the beginning, we wouldn't have had to go back and forth.

Anywho, I still don't think iTunes is bad. Of course, that could be in part because it's native to my system...

Originally Posted by SingingSabre

Indeed you're right that the App Store is a part of iTunes...on Vista. If you had clarified that from the beginning, we wouldn't have had to go back and forth.

Anywho, I still don't think iTunes is bad. Of course, that could be in part because it's native to my system...

I'm not on Vista, lol. And I provided that link from my iPad. The app store is part of iTunes because that's how Apple has it; it's not determined by browser or operating system.

Apple - iTunes - What is iTunes - Shop the world

For instance, take a look at Apple's page describing "What is iTunes." It says,"Everything you love -- music, movies, HD TV shows, apps, games. ... "

To me, it's just common sense that apps are part of iTunes, as is other content. There's no reason to synch your iPad other than content, unless you're just loading firmware.

Originally Posted by jonkay182

Jsh1120, I guess I'm confused (no sarcasm, I really am confused). How is managing your applications using a media player a problem? What difficulties are you experiencing? I'm sort of late to the party.

I think you're not alone in being confused. Apparently, there are several discussions and sub-discussions going on here. Let me try to clarify. I'm not promising to be successful.

() My reference to iTunes as a "music player" was rather imprecise. Originally, iTunes was an application designed to enable computer users to buy and play songs. It has since morphed into other kinds of content but the basic interface (on a computer) has remained largely the original design. It works well for managing the content on old iPods (like mine) but becomes increasingly confusing and inadequate as one moves to iPods (i.e. Touch) that run apps, the iPhone, and especially the iPad where songs are likely to be the least important content type. Yet the iTunes application (and even its name) suggests otherwise.

() Apparently, (and not surprisingly) the iTunes app runs better on Apple computers than on Windows systems. I can't comment on the former because all my systems (other than the iPad) are Windows systems. This issue morphed into the (somewhat unrelated) issue of how it runs on Vista and the awful problems that afflict that OS. Suffice to say that problems exist even with Windows 7 systems. The issue of whether anyone should suffer with Vista is a separate one and extends far beyond the issue of whether iTunes works well in that environment.

() Some of the discussion apparently confused the "App Store" app on the iPad with the iTunes application on a computer (which is what you deal with when you sync your iPad.) I happen to think that the App Store app is also lousy mainly because it is so difficult to search for specific apps. Many folks agree with me on that score which is the basis of some posts that point out the value of App Shopper when you're trying to find a specific app. In any event, the quality, good or bad, of the App Store is a separate issue from the quality of iTunes as an interface for managing/syncing apps and media content.

Originally Posted by jsh1120

Some of the discussion apparently confused the "App Store" app on the iPad with the iTunes application on a computer (which is what you deal with when you sync your iPad.) I happen to think that the App Store app is also lousy mainly because it is so difficult to search for specific apps. Many folks agree with me on that score which is the basis of some posts that point out the value of App Shopper when you're trying to find a specific app. In any event, the quality, good or bad, of the App Store is a separate issue from the quality of iTunes as an interface for managing/syncing apps and media content.

The crummy thing about the app store app and the app store on computer is the same: no efficient way of searching. How hard would it be for Apple to fix that? They could assign it to an intern for an afternoon, lol.

I didn't bother going into iTunes' problems with synching, because there are plenty of examples on this forum every day and all across the Internet. There's going to be user error with any tech stuff, but iTunes complaints are so widespread it's laughable. It doesn't make sense that a company that pays such attention to hardware cares so little about its content-delivery experience.