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    ipad newbie - some thoughts

    Hi all

    New to these forums and I never really post anything about how I feel about a device but I thought I'd share some of my thoughts on my new iPad and see what you guys think.

    I bought an iPad 2 3G a couple of days of ago - mostly for work as my company has recently allowed push email on iOS devices through Lotus Notes. So I thought, great, I can keep up to date with my emails on the move. And for the most part I've been very happy about most things on my iPad and it has served it's purpose on the whole. I think outside of emails, games have been great and it's an awesome device for video and content consumption in general. Plus it's a very well built machine - you can always count on Apple to deliver something sleek and visually pleasing.

    Having said all this, I guess a couple of things shocked me about iOS in general. I have a ipod touch 4G, which ive had since launch, but never really do much on it other than the odd casual game and very brief web browsing. But ever since my ipad purchase Ive had to use iOS a lot more, especially for productivity.

    I use an Android phone so maybe my mobile experience is shaped by it to an extent. What I was shocked with iOS is the completely awkward approach to file management. Things like not being able to attach multiple files to emails, not being able to hit reply to emails and attach files without going through numerous steps, changing fonts and colour (I wouldnt normally care but my company uses a company font and its not Arial - maybe I should complain to them!). I shouldnt need extra apps or take extra steps to do these things and I find it quite infuriating. For me these are givens of a basic OS. I know that Apple ring fences their apps so that they each have their own file system and are not easily accessible to other apps for security and performance concerns but I still cant get around it in my head. Maybe its just a completely different approach to traditional OS standards but I have to say, in it's current iteration, iOS is not particularly designed with productivity in mind - but the thing is...it so easily could be. But aside from just productivity, customisation is a problem I've encountered. I literally cant change anything of substance on the ipad. I cant use widgets, notification management is poor, everything looks very uniform and one thing that surprised me was no desktop preview (Exposť: something that OSX pioneered for the mainstream market - been a Linux functions for eons)

    I think the iOS experience can be summed up like this - it completely overwhelms me with how pretty everything is and how simple some tasks are to perform...but I cannot get away with the feeling iOS is at the same time treating me with kid gloves and telling me "dont be silly, you dont need that function." I'm not saying Android is any better...stability, compatibility are just some of the issues for android, but I feel like the OS treats me like a grown up for one of a better way to describe it. It lets me have the freedom to do what I want.

    People will say if I jailbreak my ipad maybe I wont feel so restricted by iOS. But unfortunately in order for the security to work properly on our company email, jailbreaking is out of the question.

    So I come back to it, iOS is fantastic in what it allows you to do, and infuriatingly dictatorial in what it wont let you do. And the worst thing is that for a lot of the things it wont let you do weve spent a lifetime using for granted.

    I will keep my ipad as its great fun for games and media consumption. But beyond that I think unless Apple decide to be more generous with standard functions Im not sure Ill buy another iOS product. I can see the market for these things (youngsters, older folk) but for a guy like me that loves tech I can control, it's at odds with the way I see how tech should be progressing. I hear a lot of iOS users asking for the most basic functions and Apple duly gives the community 3 or 4 new functions in each iOS iteration. I dont like to beg for what I believe are functions that we're are entitled to ( yes, entitlement!)

    Not sure what you guys think...I know theres a lot of Android vs iOS debate/flaming and really thats not the point of my post. Rather its iOS vs all OSes the way I see it.
    Last edited by kurosawa79; 08-22-2011 at 11:30 PM.

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    I think Apple has picked a lucrative niche -- streamlined features that simply work -- that some users love and others find restrictive. Those who find it restrictive will be better served by Android devices.

    That's the nice thing about the marketplace: choice. No one has to buy Apple devices, and Apple doesn't seem to suffer from people opting otherwise.

    As much as I like my iPads, I'd rather that many people buy Android. I'd like to see more competition. If Android hardware makers can get it together, they should deliver something better than what they've been producing. Right now, Android hardware makers don't have a shot at my money, because what they deliver is next to useless to me.

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    Hi Kaykaykay

    I'm interested in why they deliver things that are useless. I guess I mean function-wise, what's missing on Android tabs? They havent always got the best press so Im interested in your opinion...as far as I know I'm not sure the hardware makers are at fault but rather Honeycomb needs better optimization. So it's probably a case of Google getting their act together.

    I'm all for competition too. The marketplace would be so dull if there was only one choice. But in essence we still have only two dominant players in the mobile market - Apple and Google. Im not sure if that is optimal for innovation. Not withstanding the fact that they seem to like fighting each other in court over patents every other day. Money to patent lawyers and buying patents = less money for R&D.
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    Each time a new Android tablet is about to come out, I read with hope, because I don't like many of Apple's business practices. I'm not going to waste my time messing with a stunted Android tablet just so I can avoid buying Apple, though.

    When I buy an Android tablet, I will not want to wonder whether apps like Netflix will work, as they didn't with one Android device or another, because each Android hardware maker must work out deals and details with content providers. That's just one example of a deal-breaker for me. I also don't want to wonder whether my hardware maker is going to gift me with the latest version of Android, or whether I'll be left without.

    I will keep reading reviews and I expect I will switch to Android sooner or later (probably later at the rate they're going).

    Sure, I'd like to customize more, but the core features I buy a tablet for have to work reliably first.

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    Makes sense to me. I dont have much experience with things like Netflix as I dont live in a country currently where I can use the service. But seems mad that they have to negotiate separate deals to just use an app??? Blows my mind

    The upgrade question is the annoyance with android and yes manufacturers are annoyingly slow at releasing updates. I think theyre unifying a lot of stuff under Android 2.4 so that fragmentation is not so much of an issue. But I will have to see it to believe it. There's always the option of using custom roms (which if served by a big community of devs, are generally a lot faster and more stable than stock roms) to ensure you have the latest of Android.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kurosawa79 View Post
    Makes sense to me. I dont have much experience with things like Netflix as I dont live in a country currently where I can use the service. But seems mad that they have to negotiate separate deals to just use an app??? Blows my mind

    The upgrade question is the annoyance with android and yes manufacturers are annoyingly slow at releasing updates. I think theyre unifying a lot of stuff under Android 2.4 so that fragmentation is not so much of an issue. But I will have to see it to believe it. There's always the option of using custom roms (which if served by a big community of devs, are generally a lot faster and more stable than stock roms) to ensure you have the latest of Android.
    I think Android hardware makers are improving, though too slowly for me. For instance, this link talks about Netflix being available on more Android tablets:

    Netflix app on Android updated to work on 24 models including Galaxy S, Droid 3 (update: tablets too!) -- Engadget

    The thing is, if I buy a tablet, I expect that kind of app to work. It's not supposed to be great news if it does, lol.

    I know there are lots of things you can do with Android, if you make the effort. But I'm like most users: I'm not interested in DIY tablets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kurosawa79 View Post
    Hi all

    New to these forums and I never really post anything about how I feel about a device but I thought I'd share some of my thoughts on my new iPad and see what you guys think....
    I think I understand your frustration, but a couple of days using the iPad is not nearly enough to get a good idea of what the device can do. Give yourself some time to get used to it, there is a lot more there than meets the eye.

    Regarding your email problem, if you use the GoodReader app (an example, perhaps not the best) to "manage" your files, it will allow you to select and send out multiple files in an email quite easily. It may not be what you are used to; but, as you explore different ways of accomplishing things, you are likely to discover synergies along the way that may more than make up for what appears to be missing at first sight. It does take quite a bit of time though, as none of these operating systems are perfect and all appear to be quite different.

    Welcome to the forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaykaykay View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kurosawa79 View Post
    Makes sense to me. I dont have much experience with things like Netflix as I dont live in a country currently where I can use the service. But seems mad that they have to negotiate separate deals to just use an app??? Blows my mind

    The upgrade question is the annoyance with android and yes manufacturers are annoyingly slow at releasing updates. I think theyre unifying a lot of stuff under Android 2.4 so that fragmentation is not so much of an issue. But I will have to see it to believe it. There's always the option of using custom roms (which if served by a big community of devs, are generally a lot faster and more stable than stock roms) to ensure you have the latest of Android.
    I think Android hardware makers are improving, though too slowly for me. For instance, this link talks about Netflix being available on more Android tablets:

    Netflix app on Android updated to work on 24 models including Galaxy S, Droid 3 (update: tablets too!) -- Engadget

    The thing is, if I buy a tablet, I expect that kind of app to work. It's not supposed to be great news if it does, lol.

    I know there are lots of things you can do with Android, if you make the effort. But I'm like most users: I'm not interested in DIY tablets.
    Well, it seems like it works on a lot of models so its a matter of taking your pick. If you want something to work across all Android hardware then you prob have to wait. With so many different hardware configurations its not that easy to just make things work in one go.

    I think I feel the same way as you but opposite if you get what I mean. I feel like I'm DIYing with my iPad trying to look for ways for it to perform what I consider standard functions.

    In the end I think different users have differing needs and mine just dont quite match well with the iPad on some things. For others it's great. And like you, I will wait till the Android tabs mature to a level where I feel confident in purchasing one. In the meantime, I use Android phones anyway and will continue to do so as IMO they do everything I want them to do and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by info View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kurosawa79 View Post
    Hi all

    New to these forums and I never really post anything about how I feel about a device but I thought I'd share some of my thoughts on my new iPad and see what you guys think....
    I think I understand your frustration, but a couple of days using the iPad is not nearly enough to get a good idea of what the device can do. Give yourself some time to get used to it, there is a lot more there than meets the eye.

    Regarding your email problem, if you use the GoodReader app (an example, perhaps not the best) to "manage" your files, it will allow you to select and send out multiple files in an email quite easily. It may not be what you are used to; but, as you explore different ways of accomplishing things, you are likely to discover synergies along the way that may more than make up for what appears to be missing at first sight. It does take quite a bit of time though, as none of these operating systems are perfect and all appear to be quite different.

    Welcome to the forum!
    Thanks!

    I will definitely give it more time (I'm not returning it - for most things I do the Ipad does very well).

    I have goodreader installed now so will see how that goes. All OSes are built differently for different audiences - I will continue to seek out what it is that makes iOS shine and appreciate it. If I wanted a homogeneous market with a lack of choice I'd just go back to DOS

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    I try to keep an open mind about things that are different. It's easy to compare to something we are use to using because we are familiar with it. It's hard to appreciate something we are not accustomed to using. That being said, it's a fool who fails to recognize how something could be improved. That is the mother of invention. I think these tablets will become very similar in the not to distant future. One must admit that Apple does have a tendency to shun there nose at the "normal" ways of doing some things. Perhaps they will see the benefit of making their OS do some of those things, perhaps not.


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