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    Quite happy to see that the thread has not become another flash war

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    Grr, Flash Baad, Hulk Gooood...

    BTW, I think Adobe will migrate Flash to become a development platform for HTML 5 as it becomes more sophisticated. They've already started this with a converter that will take simple Flash files and convert them to be HTML 5 compatible.

    With the advances we may see in the next 10 years as HTML 5 elements become standardized and work themselves into the browsers, the need for a web development platform will increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylork1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Catfiend

    Good analogy! You wouldn't expect a new VHS player to give you all of the features of a geewhiz BlueRay player, right? So why would you expect a new geewhiz tech toy to support old technology?
    True. But expect my VHS player to play all of my VHS tapes.
    Naturally...but you wouldn't expect your Blu-ray player to play your VHS tapes correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richsadams View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taylork1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Catfiend

    Good analogy! You wouldn't expect a new VHS player to give you all of the features of a geewhiz BlueRay player, right? So why would you expect a new geewhiz tech toy to support old technology?
    True. But expect my VHS player to play all of my VHS tapes.
    Naturally...but you wouldn't expect your Blu-ray player to play your VHS tapes correct?
    The whole Blu-ray/VHS comparison is ridiculous. There is no "Bluray" with regards to online video yet. The HTML5 standard isn't going to be finished for YEARS. By the time its finished, what happens if Apple supported HTML5 encode, h.264, isn't the one that is the standard? Only SOME HTML5 videos will work with apple products. That is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thphilli

    The whole Blu-ray/VHS comparison is ridiculous. There is no "Bluray" with regards to online video yet. The HTML5 standard isn't going to be finished for YEARS. By the time its finished, what happens if Apple supported HTML5 encode, h.264, isn't the one that is the standard? Only SOME HTML5 videos will work with apple products. That is ridiculous.
    Maybe HTML 5 is not finished, but that does not make flash issues irrelevant. Flash issues are a current matter. But you are assuming that there will be HTML 5 video format issues... I'm pretty sure that those issues won't happen as they will find the solution.

    As for the video encoding, there are several scenarios possible:

    - everybody will agree on one format (I doubt it...)
    - there will be 3-4 format to support, which all browsers will support anyway
    - websites will have 3-4 formats for each media to support all kind of browsers... (YouTube is already doing that)

    Also, you have to keep in mind that a flash player is not running in native mode but in byte code, which makes it slower than a true native player... Since a lot of content is going HD, we will need that power to decode the video stream...

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    [quote=Thphilli;175980]
    Quote Originally Posted by richsadams View Post
    The whole Blu-ray/VHS comparison is ridiculous. There is no "Bluray" with regards to online video yet. The HTML5 standard isn't going to be finished for YEARS. By the time its finished, what happens if Apple supported HTML5 encode, h.264, isn't the one that is the standard? Only SOME HTML5 videos will work with apple products. That is ridiculous.
    It's not like Apple can't patch their iOS devices, which would make them work with whatever standard is chosen. And it is never too early for the Web to begin adopting a standard.

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    At the pace of change today, if you wait for the final implemented standard, you will be forever waiting. There are already people working on the next standard after HTML5. And maybe past that. The way they work, the basics of the standards are laid out first, and then they work on the fine tuning. It can be years before they get the tuning down pat. In the meantime, the information is there to create devices that will be compatible. The only thing they require is tweaking the programming when more of the code is completed. There is a lot of this going on, and it can be years before the standard is finished, but that does not mean it cannot be used now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thphilli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by richsadams View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taylork1 View Post
    True. But expect my VHS player to play all of my VHS tapes.
    Naturally...but you wouldn't expect your Blu-ray player to play your VHS tapes correct?
    The whole Blu-ray/VHS comparison is ridiculous. There is no "Bluray" with regards to online video yet. The HTML5 standard isn't going to be finished for YEARS. By the time its finished, what happens if Apple supported HTML5 encode, h.264, isn't the one that is the standard? Only SOME HTML5 videos will work with apple products. That is ridiculous.
    I don't think there's any real VHS/Blu-ray "comparisons". The OP stated that he naturally expected his VHS tapes to play in his VHS player. I simply asked if the OP expected one (antiquated) format (VHS tapes) to work with newer technology.

    Apple has never had a problem abandoning dying technology for something better. I actually do wish they had embraced Blu-ray but that's their choice and there are alternatives. I don't hold a grudge against Apple for not including a floppy disk drive...or any drive for that matter...in my new Macbook Air. Just because something still exists doesn't mean it will be backward compatible for eternity. My iPad's battery life would not be as stellar as it is if it were to have to run Flash. I'm glad they made that decision. YMMV.

    I get that Flash is still prevalent and that many folks would like their iPad's to play it out of the box (as there are apps for a work around) but it doesn't. However, again, that's Apple's choice and it's been that way from day one. You can disagree with their choice and you can also buy something else that does what you'd like.

    The theory about the future/timeline of HTML 5 and other tech is interesting. Only time will tell. However the "what if they have problems with some other technology in the future" is a straw man argument. If you're looking for a "silver bullet" [insert CE product here] that will (ostensibly) work with everything out there, let us know how that goes.
    Last edited by richsadams; 04-09-2011 at 03:53 PM. Reason: Tyop…d'oh!

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    [quote=snoitan;175995]
    Quote Originally Posted by Thphilli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by richsadams View Post
    The whole Blu-ray/VHS comparison is ridiculous. There is no "Bluray" with regards to online video yet. The HTML5 standard isn't going to be finished for YEARS. By the time its finished, what happens if Apple supported HTML5 encode, h.264, isn't the one that is the standard? Only SOME HTML5 videos will work with apple products. That is ridiculous.
    It's not like Apple can't patch their iOS devices, which would make them work with whatever standard is chosen. And it is never too early for the Web to begin adopting a standard.
    I don't understand how this forum's quotes work sometimes. I think they need to fix it. Just to be clear, the above quote which appears to be attributed to me is actually from Thphilli's post.

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