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    Apple hurting Adobe?

    In a report about Adobe's SEC filing, under the worse case scenario, Adobe has admitted that Apple's refusal to deal with flash could hurt them badly. More and more customers are abandoning flash for other resources. With the the exclusion of the Adobe upcoming CS5 in any upcoming apps, Adobe is going to have to go back to the drawing board.

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    I'm sure they would like everyone on board but flash is just a part of what adobe does. Truth is they need to evolve just like everyone else in order to survive. They just have to move a bit faster in this arena or they will get left behind.

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    It's been pointed out back when the no-flash on iPad shot was fired. Adobe can easly adapt by taking it's content creation tools and turning them to export HTML5 clean and easy. If the tools aren't super expensive for what the offer Adobe will survive and may get a bit of a revival. But that's going to be their choice.

    They could also... you know, clean up the bloody MacOSX code for Flash and take away Apples primary public beef. If it corrected the coding issues Apple publicly objects to (and that mess with thier battery life projections), the Apple looks more the bully an gets harder consumer feedback to support it. Just a thought.

    Look how long it took Apple to create multi-tasking in a way they liked.
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    Apple is blocking Adobe from allowing people to develop for the iPhone using FLASH/AS in CS5... I say Adobe should fire back and say well if you think our products don't run that well on Apple hardware then maybe we should just pull Apple support all together!

    I know it will never happen and it would be a shitty thing to do to Adobe customers who are also Mac people... but if Apple can FORCE Adobe out of development for the iDevices... why can't Adobe fire back??? It wouldn't hurt Apple a ton... however there are a lot of Mac users who swear by the Adobe line of products (Premiere, After Effects, Photoshop, Illustrator, etc...)

    I can get over not having FLASH support in Safari for the iDevices... even though that forces people to develop all of their sites TWICE until there is wide adopted support for HTML5 in all browsers. However I can't really get over the fact that Apple is blocking Adobe from allowing developers to develop in FLASH and export/transition code to Objective-C through the upcoming CS5! To me... that just seems like Apple trying to smack down Adobe in any way they can. What do they get out of that? Developers STILL have to pay for the Apple Developer License to release those apps to the app store so it isn't like it would be costing Apple any revenue. In fact... it would be bringing them more revenue through increased apps and sales and would be helping developers by allowing them to develop once (compile twice) for web apps / iDevice apps.

    Apple is really starting to irk me! Yes I'm excited that this may really push HTML5 to wide adoption faster than it would have! But blocking people from developing app-store apps in FLASH (that end up being objective-C apps in the end anyways) is just wrong (in my opinion)
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    CNN just put up an article on this...still no comment out of Apple - probably haven't stop smiling/laughing yet.

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    This is only a gloom and doom scenario and is extremist thinking. The fact is that flash is a dead horse and Adobe needs to stop beating it. Besides, they may be using this to take the heat off of what may be their biggest worry. Adobe is taking a lot of flack over the vulnerabilities in PDF format which, from what I have heard, is where about 80% of all attacks are being made on user systems. And don't get too sorry for Adobe. They use to make a lot of Mac software, and then when Apple was going through a bad patch, they pulled the plug. A lot of customers switched to PCs because they could not get Mac native Adobe products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seadog View Post
    The fact is that flash is a dead horse and Adobe needs to stop beating it.
    This. Flash is a horse that should have been put down long ago were it not already dead. It's a resource-hogging, kludgy piece of crap that's long past it's sell-by date. Laptops, let alone the iPad are going smaller and thinner; if you want halfway decent battery life, Flash has got to go. Other than some online games like FarmVille and the few remaining Flash splash pages left in the wild (thankfully, an endangered species now), what do you need Flash for anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanonicalKoi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Seadog View Post
    The fact is that flash is a dead horse and Adobe needs to stop beating it.
    This. Flash is a horse that should have been put down long ago were it not already dead. It's a resource-hogging, kludgy piece of crap that's long past it's sell-by date. Laptops, let alone the iPad are going smaller and thinner; if you want halfway decent battery life, Flash has got to go. Other than some online games like FarmVille and the few remaining Flash splash pages left in the wild (thankfully, an endangered species now), what do you need Flash for anymore?
    I agree with you for technical reasons. You see I know it is not possible to have a ten hour battery life in a lite weight hand held which also does Flash.

    Further more the issue of Apple banning code developed by an Adobe tool is not meant to hurt Adobe but to protect their new multitasking structure they have developed for the iPhone/iPad.

    If someone feels outrage over this it is a sign of foolishness instead of clear thinking. They can not have it both ways.

    If they do not value the freedom from a bag full of batteries and the constant need to recharge every few hours with an attached wire then they should move on and choose a non Apple product. No one is going to miss them among those who value what Apple has created with the iPad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4phun View Post

    Further more the issue of Apple banning code developed by an Adobe tool is not meant to hurt Adobe but to protect their new multitasking structure they have developed for the iPhone/iPad.

    If someone feels outrage over this it is a sign of foolishness instead of clear thinking. They can not have it both ways.
    Can you elaborate on this?

    How does disallowing another tool that will cross compile the source into the native objective-c needed for iDevice apps have ANYTHING to do with protecting multitasking??? I'm dying to know!!!
    Last edited by brobar; 04-10-2010 at 12:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brobar View Post

    Can you elaborate on this?

    How does disallowing another tool that will cross compile the source into the native objective-c needed for iDevice apps have ANYTHING to do with protecting multitasking??? I'm dying to know!!!

    I believe is the pure right of Apple to choose witch code source they accept or not Ö


    If we start like i will complain why MICROSOFT DONíT ALLOW XP TO RUN MAC SOFTWARE ??

    or why i canít run Apple iphone appís on Android based device Ö.

    Flash is old donkey and if that disappear i didnít think we will miss it


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