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    Quote Originally Posted by kilofox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I suspect the mass want Flash, and the iPad will suffer without it.
    Yep... the lack of flash is just killing iPhone sales.
    Yeah that's so funny! The Android operating system doesn't support it either...yet it is supposedly coming out

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    And when flash support does arrive on android handsets, people will see just how useless it is on a touch driven device.

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    Flash it you're self

    Quote Originally Posted by KiltedTim View Post
    And when flash support does arrive on android handsets, people will see just how useless it is on a touch driven device.
    The question is : if he arrive on Android ..... maybe , maybe never

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    Unhappy Why no Flash?

    The reason there's no Flash on iPhone is that it's too bulky and slow to run. Steve Job's wasn't exaggerating. It is a processor hog under OS X. I did a side by side comparison of the PC version and the Mac version of Flash and found the PC version was 3x faster. No wonder Steve calls Adobe "lazy". But the lack of Flash really is a problem to me personally. I tried removing it just to see what life without flash would be like, and none of my favorite sites worked. Like it or not, Flash is everywhere. I expect this will hurt the iPad, but how much, who knows? In my blog, I give the results of my PC-Mac Flash comparison and more thoughts on Flash on the iPad at Mark's Tech Chat

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwhibben View Post
    The reason there's no Flash on iPhone is that it's too bulky and slow to run. Steve Job's wasn't exaggerating. It is a processor hog under OS X. I did a side by side comparison of the PC version and the Mac version of Flash and found the PC version was 3x faster. No wonder Steve calls Adobe "lazy". But the lack of Flash really is a problem to me personally. I tried removing it just to see what life without flash would be like, and none of my favorite sites worked. Like it or not, Flash is everywhere. I expect this will hurt the iPad, but how much, who knows? In my blog, I give the results of my PC-Mac Flash comparison and more thoughts on Flash on the iPad at Mark's Tech Chat
    I can understand you're needing, but i don't understand is why will you buy IPAD if flash is so necessary ...

    In same time i believe Adobe will made serious improvement as they are seriously pointed by everybody (like you're article) , in term of business volume is not good at all , and yet the competition in software field is terrible

    The main question for the future is do they will improve flash or the HTML5 will kill flash

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    Perhaps HTML5 will kill flash several long years down the road... however that doesn't mean Adobe's presence on the web needs to die with it. I need go dig up the article again if I can, but I've been seeing enough suggestions that if Adobe just repurposes their authoring software to spit out HTML5 (when it is adopted as a full standard) then they are likely to remain a preferred producer of content production software just by market inertia of all the Flash developers that won't want to switch to a new development environment. Considering they've got it setup to spit out native iPhone and I think soon Android Apps, it would be an amazing oversight if they didn't.

    Unless Adobe does something brilliant (would anyone like to try putting together odds on that?) with the mobile FlashPlayer for Multi-Touch keyboardless systems it is going to be a horrible train wreak in the public eye. Many Flash Games will not work without some spectacular interface work-around, lack of keyboard input worst of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kilofox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I suspect the mass want Flash, and the iPad will suffer without it.
    Yep... the lack of flash is just killing iPhone sales.
    I'm assuming you're being ironic/facetious with this response.

    Of course the lack of Flash isn't killing iPhone sales, but it probably isn't helping.

    First, for most people their iPhone is not their primary (or even secondary) web browsing device. Not because of lack of Flash, but because of screen size and the iPhone's relatively slow performance as a web browser. This is probably why Safari in all it's forms only accounts for around 5-6% of installed browsers; and around 2% of total browser usage. If the iPhone was so huge these numbers would be much bigger.

    Second, if the iPhone was supposed to be a mass market product then, yes, its sales have definitely been killed by something. Nokia sells 1.3 million phones a day. Even Samsung sells around 550,000 a day. The iPhone sells around 30,000. If the iPhone was intended as a mass market product then it has failed. But it wasn't supposed to be a mass market product, and it isn't. It's a niche product. And it has succeeded very well in it's niche. But web browsing probably isn't the reason why.

    Web browsing right now (until someone comes up with a new use) is one of the iPad's primary reasons to exist. Flash is, like it or not, a big part of the web for the masses. Why? Because the web doesn't look like the web without it. Simple as that. Also, they can't get access to everything they can normally get access to. Doesn't matter what that stuff is. It's just the fact that it's not accessible.

    With Flash the iPad will be a niche product. Without it it'll be smaller.

    And here's a thing. The bigger the iPad becomes, the cheaper the content available for it becomes. If it carried Flash then you could have access to hundreds of free magazines at the iPad's launch. Without it you'll be paying about the same as you would for the paper copies of those magazines in order to buy them as apps.
    Last edited by mac; 02-24-2010 at 01:19 AM.

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    And how many of those flash based magazines would work with a multi-touch interface from the start? Forgetting the iPad, and looking around all the up-coming multi-touch devices. If the interface of whatever flash app your looking at can't deal with a lack of full keyboard and mouse (pointer) then its toast for multi-touch and would have be rebuilt anyways to cater to that device market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kilofox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I suspect the mass want Flash, and the iPad will suffer without it.
    Yep... the lack of flash is just killing iPhone sales.
    I'm assuming you're being ironic/facetious with this response.

    Of course the lack of Flash isn't killing iPhone sales, but it probably isn't helping.

    First, for most people their iPhone is not their primary (or even secondary) web browsing device. Not because of lack of Flash, but because of screen size and the iPhone's relatively slow performance as a web browser. This is probably why Safari in all it's forms only accounts for around 5-6% of installed browsers; and around 2% of total browser usage. If the iPhone was so huge these numbers would be much bigger.

    Second, if the iPhone was supposed to be a mass market product then, yes, its sales have definitely been killed by something. Nokia sells 1.3 million phones a day. Even Samsung sells around 550,000 a day. The iPhone sells around 30,000. If the iPhone was intended as a mass market product then it has failed. But it wasn't supposed to be a mass market product, and it isn't. It's a niche product. And it has succeeded very well in it's niche. But web browsing probably isn't the reason why.

    Web browsing right now (until someone comes up with a new use) is one of the iPad's primary reasons to exist. Flash is, like it or not, a big part of the web for the masses. Why? Because the web doesn't look like the web without it. Simple as that. Also, they can't get access to everything they can normally get access to. Doesn't matter what that stuff is. It's just the fact that it's not accessible.

    With Flash the iPad will be a niche product. Without it it'll be smaller.

    And here's a thing. The bigger the iPad becomes, the cheaper the content available for it becomes. If it carried Flash then you could have access to hundreds of free magazines at the iPad's launch. Without it you'll be paying about the same as you would for the paper copies of those magazines in order to buy them as apps.
    Mac frankly speaking, i don't miss that much the flash in my Iphone , and i have made a test with my MBP without flash ... i don't see so big trouble for talk so much about that ... i assume most of user will buy without knowing clearly what is flash and if they need or not ....

    Far as i know Android too doesn't have flash , and i don't read so many comment about this point ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac
    Nokia sells 1.3 million phones a day. Even Samsung sells around 550,000 a day. The iPhone sells around 30,000. If the iPhone was intended as a mass market product then it has failed. But it wasn't supposed to be a mass market product, and it isn't. It's a niche product. And it has succeeded very well in it's niche. But web browsing probably isn't the reason why.
    Those totals for Nokia and Samsung include a ton of dumbphones. Apple has one model in production, the 3GS. I might be wrong, but I would be surprised if any phone manufacturer has a smartphone that competes with the 3GS in sales.

    Personally I am and Android fan.... but I have to give the iPhone its due. I did have a 3GS in the past, its web browser is still the best I have used on a mobile device.

    To me... it seems a little "dated" to have a plugin i.e. Flash to view a video or have interactive content on a Web site, when HTML 5 is much more elegant and less taxing on resources than Flash.

    Finally, Flash sites are not accessible to people with vision impairments. (this is a broader issue and not an iPad issue)
    Last edited by kilofox; 02-24-2010 at 08:33 AM.


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