Apple bashing -why?
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Not wanting to reopen the flash debate, I believe that I would gladly live without flash in order to have a tablet like the iPad that lasts all day on a charge, and gives us a very nice, fast internet experience. Flash is a resource hog, and it requires more processing power in order to use it. So you end up with more power than you need, a system that runs hotter than it has to, more expensive and runs out of juice after two hours. That's a netbook. I had one, and I got rid of it. The iPad succeeds where the netbook fails because it does NOT pretend to be a full laptop.
Has anyone tried flash on one of the android devices? I mean real flash, not a recompiled version of flash optimized for smart phones. It is SLOW. Why bother with that? Instead of redoing all of the flash so there are two versions of everything (one for PC's and one for phones), just go with HTML5. It just makes sense to do so.
09-22-2010 12:31 PM
I think the reasons for "fanboism" are varied and deep.
Part of it lies in basic human psychology. Maslow showed that people are social beings with a need to feel connected. This accounts for a lot of what we refer to as "Tribalism." When a person becomes attached to a group (country, religion, technical organization) they can become extremely defensive of that group. For some people this can become nearly an obsession. Pointed in positive directions this can mean advancing the groups worth. In more negative directions we get wars.
Competitiveness is another human trait. When members of an organization feel threatened, they can become obsessed with "pushing back" the competition. The Apple "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercials were entertaining to one group, and insulting to the other. They created a polarizing effect which fanned the flames. Unfortunately for some people the flame burns deep enough without encouragement.
I think the new social rules are:
- Never discuss politics at work
- Never discuss religion at dinner
- Never discuss your OS preference on the Internet
- If your wife asks you if another woman is attractive, act like you didn't hear her and change the subject
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I'm a long time Microsoft user and the iPad was my first Apple product. Here's my take on the discussion.
1) Apple makes the most technically slick, user-friendly products on the market.
2) I feel constrained and limited by Apple's control of what I run on the device.
3) I was turned off by the buying experience. Going to the Apple store was like entering the temple of some techno cult. I spoke to several sales people and they all had the same attitude: "You have come to the source of all things wonderful and we know what you need better than you do."
People on the Internet feel a compulsion to give authoritative opinions on things they know nothing about. In general, Windows bashers (which I am not, I use all sorts of operating systems) have used Windows and dislike it for specific reasons, while Apple bashers have never owned a machine running OS X or iOS.
I have found Apple does the best job of an integrated experience that does more with less hassle. It is by no means a perfect experience, but it is impressive by comparison. I use XP at work, and have Win 7 and XP at home, but we use our Macs for most usage. My experience with Win 7 leaves me unimpressed and often I go back to using XP. Other than a few tweaks, Win 7 leaves me with the impression of XP in a clown suit. Of course, I have not used it much, so we will see.
My big issue is bloatware from Microsoft, Adobe, and so many others. Adobe Acrobat professional is a pain to use compared to Word, and Office has gotten far away from a good basic program. And for what they cost retail, I could have a top notch iPad or laptop. Considering the number of basic office programs that are inexpensive, it is silly. And many can write .xl or .doc formats.
opinions - we all have them. We all find different products that suit us. Personally, I dont think there is any such thing as "the best" when it comes to Apple/Microsoft/Palm/Android or whatever type arguments. What is "bloatware" to one user is the only option with the robust features to do the job for another. I found Windows 7 to be a significant leap forward for Windows, but my mom still prefers Windows 98 (I know, I dont get it either). Some people like the simple, safe approach of Apple, some people feel confined and frustrated by it. I dont hate any brands out there. I try not to really have any personal, emotional feelings about them at all. They each try to do things their own way to appeal to their niche of customers.
If you ever had to endure Vista, you wouldn't mind Windows 7.
Lol, excellent example of the kind of absolutist talk you hear from so called fanboys. Primarily because it is provably false. Although I don't know if you meant it as such.
Originally Posted by bdegrande
I have a good friend who I have worked with for over 20 years now. We have developed and used nearly every platform, but we both used Macintosh almost exclusively for most of that time.
My friends current laptop is a MacBook Pro, which he has had no end of troubles with. There have been numerous article about these issues, but he cannot get Apple to replace the machine. If you were to talk to him you would correctly lable him an "Apple hater." He will not purchase any Apple products, and has pretty much banned them on his development team. He is a VP of development at the company I work for.
This is not the result of a single laptop that has failed. He has been displeased with Apples straight jacket approach for a number of years now and finally got fed up.
I suspect that this is a pattern with many "haters" on both sides of the fence. It takes a lot to get a fan unhappy, but once it happens they tend to be the most vocal of the opposition.
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iPF Super Guru
Originally Posted by bdegrande
I belong (or have belonged) to about 20 forums (at last count!) and I discovered a long time ago that if I want accurate, technical information, I will go to a "trusted" source which is usually the manufacturer. OTOH, if I want opinions, I will go to an Internet forum!
I have also learned that when someone asks a question on a forum, they don't want:
1) A lecture on how easy it would have been to find the answer if they had done a search on the forum.
2) A lecture on how easy it would have been to find the answer by doing a Google search.
3) To be told to look in the owner's manual.
4) To be told how to find the answer.
If you do one of those 4 things, you end up sounding like a jerk! People just want their question answered. It amazes me that people have enough computer "smarts" to find a forum to post a question, but yet are unable to use that same process to find the answers to their questions.
Good point. But there are those times when the question either hasn't been asked before or it has been asked by such few number of people that googling it would result in an infinite amount of word matches. In brief, it is easier to look for "ipad forum" and ask "what's the best way to cut out my tmobile SIM to fit in the iPad slot." Or it could be that people are just lazy. I tend to favor this last one
Originally Posted by 1991-C4
As for Apple bashing, I've never done much of it with the exception that half of the techno ignorant world inhabitants out there are now supertechies cause they bought an iSomething. And I'm sick and tired of people telling me what fantastic thing the iSomething is.
Had touched the iPhone maybe 2-3 times at a couple of minutes each time. It was October of 2007. I'm at the coffee shop, flipping through the internet while at the same time listening to some music with my BT stereo headset, both activities being done in my old HTC Wizard. Someone aproaches and asks for a cig. I offer him one, then he starts asking me about the stereo BT. we engaged in a conversation, then he pulls out his iPhone and I'm quite sure he could pair the headset too. So we try... and of course the end result was a nill. Not only was he shocked, I was quite surprised. I mean for heaven's sake Apple has had BT in their laptops way before any Windows computer ever did. Granted, they didn't do A2DP, that had to be enabled via terminal commands. But I'm looking at this guy who's got the "latest and greatest" and it doesn't even do half the things my 200 MHz Wizard could do, and I paid about half what he paid!
So no, I don't bash Apple. Just the people who think Apple is at the bleeding edge of technology.
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