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    Quote Originally Posted by I_luv_Apple View Post
    Change the design, size feel, additional accessories, different colours, there's so much more they could have do to the new design
    No offense, but no. Your post indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of what the device is supposed to be - a clean, monochromatic slate with as few buttons (ultimately, they want just the Home button, remember) and connections as possible. iDevices are supposed to be white or black only. When in use, it's supposed to have nothing attached. They are working to remove keys and cords, to eliminate accessories, not add them.

    They added iCloud, Photostream and added streaming of content (movies, music, tv shows) to reduce the need for a camera connection kit or external storage, and jumped to 4G to improve access to the remote stuff. They added Voice Recognition to eliminate all the external keyboards people have been adding. They improved the camera so you don't need to carry a camera.

    It's funny, really; the more they clean up the design, the more people praise it - then clutter it up.
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    By the way, Tim Cook said in his keynote that they're just getting started with unveiling advances this year, so maybe we'll hear something good in the next six months or so, before they have to ramp up holiday distribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epb View Post
    No offense, but no. Your post indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of what the device is supposed to be - a clean, monochromatic slate with as few buttons (ultimately, they want just the Home button, remember) and connections as possible. iDevices are supposed to be white or black only. When in use, it's supposed to have nothing attached. They are working to remove keys and cords, to eliminate accessories, not add them.

    They added iCloud, Photostream and added streaming of content (movies, music, tv shows) to reduce the need for a camera connection kit or external storage, and jumped to 4G to improve access to the remote stuff. They added Voice Recognition to eliminate all the external keyboards people have been adding. They improved the camera so you don't need to carry a camera.

    It's funny, really; the more they clean up the design, the more people praise it - then clutter it up.

    I'm interested in improved functionality, but to get me to buy, they have to come up with sexier tech that improves my uses. The new model "fixes" things I didn't consider problems, so those are the deciding factors for me not buying.

    The "improved" cameras are a joke for picture taking, IMO. I have an iPhone with much better camera, which I always carry. I'm never going to expect my iPad, which is limited to viable camera quality for video calling, to take decent photos.

    That said, it's great that some people are excited about the new iPad. I'm not knocking it; Apple just didn't do enough to get me to spend, and I'm generally an easy sell.

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    Screen size and general feel is not going to change any time soon. People need consistency and the vendors, app makers, and others have too much involve with the demand of minor changes, to be able to make major changes at every whim. This is why Android is not doing as good with tablets. Too much variety of models to make them work seamlessly.

    The retina screen is a major leap forward and only Apple could have pulled it off at this time. The camera is an enigma. The front camera is useful for those who want to use Facetime. The rear camera is the question. It is nice to have in some cases. I could have used a better camera than the VGA in my Moto Razr this morning, but an iPhone is a much better form factor for that. However, my understanding is that it is going to be the same quality of photos as the iPhone 4S. One the bright side, it will be a lot better to share the pictures taken on the iPad.

    If you want a tricked out iPad, the practical way is to get a jazzed up cover and apps.

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    The cameras are a far cry from what's in iPhone 4S. Sharing photos between iPhone and iPad is a cinch because of photo stream, especially now that iOS 5.1 allows deleting of individual photos from the stream.

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    I don't know if it's a far cry. The new camera is from the iPhone 4, the optics and software from the iPhone 4S. The quality should be somewhere in between, though without the flash to help with poor lighting conditions.

    Ease of use is of course massively different. However as the old photographers say, 'the best camera is the one you have with you.' If you happen to be holding an iPad at the moment you need the picture you'll be happy there's a good camera in it.

    People also get fixated on cameras as social and creative tools. There are a whole range of camera uses that get overlooked, and can be very useful for productive people on iPads: bar code scanning, documenting work, impromptu document scanner, inventory management, etc. While you could take these pictures with a phone instead, you also end up having to copy them to the iPad (yes Photo Stream makes it easier) and then import them into the right app in the iPad. It is much easier to simply capture them in whatever app you need them in.

    So while many, maybe even most, people will not be impressed with or need a better camera in the iPad, quite a few of us are happy to have the extra versatility and work saving ability.

    I made basically the same argument when many people groused about the iPad 2 getting a back camera in the first place. There is more to be gained by a camera than snapping shots of the sunset. It's a sensor that can be used for hundreds of purposes. The better the camera, the greater range of possibilities that app developers can exploit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twerppoet View Post
    I don't know if it's a far cry. The new camera is from the iPhone 4, the optics and software from the iPhone 4S. The quality should be somewhere in between, though without the flash to help with poor lighting conditions.

    Ease of use is of course massively different. However as the old photographers say, 'the best camera is the one you have with you.' If you happen to be holding an iPad at the moment you need the picture you'll be happy there's a good camera in it.

    People also get fixated on cameras as social and creative tools. There are a whole range of camera uses that get overlooked, and can be very useful for productive people on iPads: bar code scanning, documenting work, impromptu document scanner, inventory management, etc. While you could take these pictures with a phone instead, you also end up having to copy them to the iPad (yes Photo Stream makes it easier) and then import them into the right app in the iPad. It is much easier to simply capture them in whatever app you need them in.

    So while many, maybe even most, people will not be impressed with or need a better camera in the iPad, quite a few of us are happy to have the extra versatility and work saving ability.

    I made basically the same argument when many people groused about the iPad 2 getting a back camera in the first place. There is more to be gained by a camera than snapping shots of the sunset. It's a sensor that can be used for hundreds of purposes. The better the camera, the greater range of possibilities that app developers can exploit.
    Agreed on many uses for cameras. I've yet to bother barcode scanning with iPad, though, because my iPhone works much better for that. I also use iPhone for capturing receipts for expense reports, for instance. The one thing (besides video calling) that I've used my iPad camera for: I thought I dropped something behind the dryer, and it was awkward to look behind, so I use the iPad camera as a periscope of sorts, lol.

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    I'm planning to take pictures with my high quality DSLR Camera (cannon EOS Rebel T3).

    With my Eye-Fi SD Card in my camera the photo's get instantly loaded into the iPad. So while the camera increase is always a good thing to have I'll probably still use a real camera for photo's. On the other hand for video taking the iPad may just be a better option for the simple fact that the view finder of the iPad vs LCD screen of a camera is much better for framing the video and seeing exactly how you are shooting the video. An the stabalization technology that the iPad uses to stabilize the video. Having a stable video really important if you are moving around and not using a tripod.


    (PS no I don't have an iPhone so for those that do and want to use the iPhone over the iPad thats great, but not everyone has an iPhone)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaykaykay View Post
    I thought I dropped something behind the dryer, and it was awkward to look behind, so I use the iPad camera as a periscope of sorts, lol.
    You might want to look at the Camera-A and Camera-B apps. You can view (and control) your iPhone's camera on the iPad's screen. Even better for looking around corners. It would be perfect if it included a flashlight mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twerppoet View Post
    You might want to look at the Camera-A and Camera-B apps. You can view (and control) your iPhone's camera on the iPad's screen. Even better for looking around corners. It would be perfect if it included a flashlight mode.
    Thanks I've checked it out before and didn't find need, but good to know it exists if I ever need.


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