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    Hmmmm...lol. This convo is getting heated. Very well put, life1ime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gentlefury View Post
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    Lots of good stuff in this thread! This is one of the most thought-provoking - and scariest - tidbits. Why? Because we can all name numerous companies in numerous industries that were head and shoulders above the competition while the FOUNDER was in charge. But, when his reign was over - the founder retired, died, company sold, or whatever - that single driving force was gone, replaced by, as was so vividly described above as the "typical lack of singular leadership/non-existant corporate vertical communication/arrogant 'we could do it better if we really wanted to' management" each company fell back into the ocean of mediocrity leaving their customers with the same old choices as everyone else.
    True, what's apple gonna do once Steve finally retires or is gone? Look at windows and Microsoft after Bill Gates left. Although Bill still influences things in the low. Microsoft & Windows still doing well but not at their A game like when Bill was there 24-7!
    Microsoft has done it's most innovative and awesome stuff sine gates stepped down.
    Yeah Kinect and windows7 is their champion. X-box and x-box live also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tebletfan View Post
    If we're talking "just the OS", then Android wins. Even now. Not even counting the momentum on Android's side.

    Your point about hardware is true, but not really relevant. Apple sells more IPhone hardware than any other smartphone out there. But that was the same for Apple computer hardware. The hundreds of licensed WIntel computers all combined outnumbered Apple by a vast number. But it would be hard to pick ONE WIntel computer model that outsold Apple hardware.

    In any case, thank you all for your comments. Was just baring my soul here a bit, and for the most part got some great insight. I came here wondering if there was something I was missing in regards to my disappointments with how closed IPads seem to me. Apparently there's not, and that's OK. I can understand how so many people would like their IPads. Just not me. Yet.

    Enjoy your IPads!
    I have to congratulate you (and all the other fanbois) for keeping your cool (some are not as cool as you). In all of this rhetoric, what is it you really want? I have heard what you don't like. I get the impression you like to customize, change things around, kinda do things your way... you want to be able to break into DRM systems, take what you want, then expect the integrated supervisor (iTunes) to accommodate all your files, and automatically make everything work to your satisfaction which is likely to continue to change. Hardware is one thing, software is quite another, but as you know the software is what makes the hardware work. Apple has one very distinct advantage ... it designs the hardware, it designs the core software ... it is designed to work together. It sells, profitable too. It really works. It is EZ to use, and is highly productive in getting the job done. Apple just introduced the "AIR". It is a has USB 2.0 and Wi-Fi.. It's only $999 with SSD storage, lightweight, longer battery life than other laptops and a keyboard and fast. WOW. The Macbook Pro is the power house one. There is just isn't one that does it all.

    I get that MS is not your favorite ... if you look at HP, HP just spent a wad of money buying Palm for its OS. They also realize the need to control the software as well as the hardware. The are reported to say that the new OS they are developing will be on all their products. Big blow to MS. Google with Android will never control the hardware... unless they change their strategy. If you look Android isn't much different than MS OS ... You really hope Android takes over the world, but highly unlikely. Xoom with the latest and greatest Honeycomb OS... designed to beat iPad. It does in some respects except the screen colors are off, etc. They just didn't expect the graphics performance or the timing in the arrival of iPad2. Apple doesn't make iPad anymore. Just the latest and greatest one. When Moto gets around to catching up hardware wise the iPad2, Apple will surprise the world with its next latest and greatest ... always just another step ahead. Just like they control the music distribution world thru the app store and the domination with the iPod family ... the tablet display, a la iPad is well on its way to create a whole new world of fun for the rest of us. And it is dominating. It isn't just the hardware or the software OS. It is also the delivery and support system... the infrastructure. No one else is even close overall. Just look at the lines of people wanting the latest and greatest. I haven't noticed any lines what so ever for Xoom, or Galaxy. (Xoom is not a finished design ... customers are waiting for promised features ... 4G, USB to work, and Flash, duh.) Every manufacturer has to modify and tweak Android for differentiation. This screws up the app world big time. This is the world of hurt that MS lives in. They will find some users of course, but not domination which is what I am guessing you are hoping for. Apple must be doing something right ... their bank account is rapidly growing. Google's account is also growing similarly, but not because of Android. They give it away. Google is in the search and ads business. And they are the best in that business. Big Business 101 IMHO.

    Oh, buy the way, App developers for Apple are making lots of money (collectively over $2 billion to date, I believe)
    Free apps in Android land don't make money for the developer ... so what drives them to make better apps?
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    Sorry, but this thread reminds me of 2 kids saying "my Dad is better than your Dad".

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    Quote Originally Posted by madcapjim View Post
    Sorry, but this thread reminds me of 2 kids saying "my Dad is better than your Dad".
    As long as they play well in the sandbox ~ all is good.
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    So far this has gone very well.

    There are few over zelous fanboys on both sides that have pushed the limits, but for the most, everyone has played well together.
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    Good comments, madhatter. And you are spot on about what Apple does well.

    But don't get me wrong. I don't even for a moment "hope Android takes over the world". I don't have a partisan preference for Android. I simply think that "open" will beat "closed" in the long run, just like open societies beat closed ones, always, in the end..

    We already see it in smartphones. None of my IPhone friends can point out a single feature that makes me want their IPhone over my Android. In effect, Android has "caught up" to IPhone in terms of capability, and surpassed IPhone in terms of eyeballs (the holy grail).

    It doesn't mean IPhones suck, by any means. They're great phones.

    Same goes for the IPad. It's a great tablet. At the moment (like Macs in 1985 or IPhones in 2007) it's surpassed by no other. But like 1985 Macs and 2007 IPhones, I don't see anything different about today's IPad scenario that will change the dynamic of what now looks like an inevitable outcome: market freedom winning over market control. Android--whether I like it or not is immaterial--looks like the best bet. (It's just taking it longer than I wish it would )

    And IPads will still be great tablets. Like IPhones are great phones and IMacs are great computers.


    Oh, buy the way, App developers for Apple are making lots of money (collectively over $2 billion to date, I believe)
    Free apps in Android land don't make money for the developer ... so what drives them to make better apps?
    Good question. The open-vs-profitability of the markets COULD be the dynamic that changes the game for Apple. If the Apple market continues attract better (paid) talent, and the Google market continues to NOT, that's big.

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    As far as "playing well together", I agree. And I think this has been a GREAT thread. And most people have been respectful.

    But I gotta tell ya, I've been getting grief from MODERATORS more than anyone since I've gotten here. They've been the worst! Some of the nastiest (why are you here? Why don't you leave? etc) comments came from Super Moderators. I even received PMs.

    And it's puzzling because so many posters have said it's a good thread. And the view/read count is high. And it's been great discussion. Things that Moderators are supposed to WANT.

    They're all going Steve Jobs on me! Build the walls and keep the infidels out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tebletfan View Post
    As far as "playing well together", I agree. And I think this has been a GREAT thread. And most people have been respectful.

    But I gotta tell ya, I've been getting grief from MODERATORS more than anyone since I've gotten here. They've been the worst! Some of the nastiest (why are you here? Why don't you leave? etc) comments came from Super Moderators. I even received PMs.

    And it's puzzling because so many posters have said it's a good thread. And the view/read count is high. And it's been great discussion. Things that Moderators are supposed to WANT.

    They're all going Steve Jobs on me! Build the walls and keep the infidels out!
    See. This may only keep you out. Posts like this could be what is getting you in trouble. Why would you want to air this in open forum?

    If you have concerns/issues ~ send a PM.


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    Sweet, I had no "posts like that" until I was treated the way I was treated.

    It's in this thread--read back. The worst, unfriendly comments posted were by moderators.

    Do moderators get to do whatever they want, even publicly treat people disrespectfully, and then when the victim publicly objects--and not screaming, or disrespectfully, but just telling it like it happened--blame the victim for objecting?

    Yes, of course they do, they're moderators. It's not a recipe for good, openminded debate. But they get to do it.

    I'm out. Thanks to the most people here who generated good, open discussion. Enjoy your IPads!


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