Apple iPad 2 - Big deal or not?

[writerranger]

Guess what? The xoom doesn't have flash for a while.

Actually to be fair, the Xoom has Flash right now. All you have to do is go to the market and install Flash 10.1. What it doesn't have is version 10.2 optimized for Honeycomb.

And those that do that will watch their battery life drop dramatically.

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[DaveSt]

Actually to be fair, the Xoom has Flash right now. All you have to do is go to the market and install Flash 10.1. What it doesn't have is version 10.2 optimized for Honeycomb.

Everything on iPad comes in the box. You don't have to go to the app store to download safari do you? You can use all the features on the iPad without the app store.

Give me a break. We have both jailbroken our iPads because obviously we feel there were things missing. And no, not everything comes on the iPad to start with which is why the app store is such a huge success. Want to watch Netflix? Download an app. Want to do online banking? Go download an app. Look, I'm not advocating the Xoom as I am a happy iPad user, but the Xoom web browser comes with the same functionality that Safari does: no Flash browsing. At least you have the option to add it with the Xoom which is something.

[DaveSt]

Guess what? The xoom doesn't have flash for a while.

Actually to be fair, the Xoom has Flash right now. All you have to do is go to the market and install Flash 10.1. What it doesn't have is version 10.2 optimized for Honeycomb.

And those that do that will watch their battery life drop dramatically.

Maybe so, maybe not. I will reserve judgement on that (hot button) issue until I see real empirical evidence. I don't believe either side right now.

[writerranger]

Actually to be fair, the Xoom has Flash right now. All you have to do is go to the market and install Flash 10.1. What it doesn't have is version 10.2 optimized for Honeycomb.

And those that do that will watch their battery life drop dramatically.

Maybe so, maybe not. I will reserve judgement on that (hot button) issue until I see real empirical evidence. I don't believe either side right now.

I think Adobe put that issue to rest when they realized they needed to develop a mobile flash for sustained video buffering. It's called Stage Video. Without their being successful with SV, tablets with flash will suffer.

I'm like you though, I think the Xoom looks very promising. Competition is a good thing and can only force higher quality development and price competitiveness.

[graywolf]

Give me a break. We have both jailbroken our iPads because obviously we feel there were things missing. And no, not everything comes on the iPad to start with which is why the app store is such a huge success. Want to watch Netflix? Download an app. Want to do online banking? Go download an app. Look, I'm not advocating the Xoom as I am a happy iPad user, but the Xoom web browser comes with the same functionality that Safari does: no Flash browsing. At least you have the option to add it with the Xoom which is something.

My point was that you don't need to download stuff to make the iPad work. Flash is a huge reason that people get the android tabs, so shouldn't they have it out of the box? Bad marketing.

[graywolf]

I think Adobe put that issue to rest when they realized they needed to develop a mobile flash for sustained video buffering. It's called Stage Video. Without their being successful with SV, tablets with flash will suffer.

I'm like you though, I think the Xoom looks very promising. Competition is a good thing and can only force higher quality development and price competitiveness.

That is true, competition will force apple to make the iPad 2 better.

[twerppoet]

That is true, competition will force apple to make the iPad 2 better.

Well, iPad 3 maybe. It might be a bit late to expect the future market to have much effect on the iPad 2. I know, I know, turning of the pedantic switch now.

[tzimisce]

Apple (nee Mr Jobs) have made the strategic decision not to go with Flash, and their reasons for doing so are on record. It is an opportunity (if you want to call it that) for the competition to exploit, but I don't know that it will give them that much of a leverage.

When it comes to innovation, Apple are far too savvy not to have done their homework and considered, "if we don't support Flash on iOS, how will that hurt our product?" - and judging by the crazy iPhone/iPad sales so far, it doesn't seem to have. Apple may very well reverse their decision about Flash as hardware and software progress, but clearly it is not a dealbreaker for millions of iPad owners.

[writerranger]

Apple (nee Mr Jobs) have made the strategic decision not to go with Flash, and their reasons for doing so are on record. It is an opportunity (if you want to call it that) for the competition to exploit, but I don't know that it will give them that much of a leverage.

When it comes to innovation, Apple are far too savvy not to have done their homework and considered, "if we don't support Flash on iOS, how will that hurt our product?" - and judging by the crazy iPhone/iPad sales so far, it doesn't seem to have. Apple may very well reverse their decision about Flash as hardware and software progress, but clearly it is not a dealbreaker for millions of iPad owners.

I agree with this. Just look at the video end: Flash is already on the run from Silverlight and HTML5. Adobe is hurting. They are a victim of their own suucess in a way; they simply haven't kept up and before they knew it Netflix dumped Flash for Silverlight (and the quality of the stream improved dramatically) and HTML5 is becoming the standard. There was a day, not all that long ago, that Flash ruled and nothing looked like a threat. Except for those who knew how resource hungry Flash really is. Microsoft stepped in and the ultra-light Silverlight took millions of dollars of enterprise streaming away. Now, with HTML5, why go flash? No corporate web designer in their right mind would develop a new site and use Flash video over HTML5.

Bottom line: Apple has no real reason to add flash as it's dying.

[graywolf]

Apple (nee Mr Jobs) have made the strategic decision not to go with Flash, and their reasons for doing so are on record. It is an opportunity (if you want to call it that) for the competition to exploit, but I don't know that it will give them that much of a leverage.

When it comes to innovation, Apple are far too savvy not to have done their homework and considered, "if we don't support Flash on iOS, how will that hurt our product?" - and judging by the crazy iPhone/iPad sales so far, it doesn't seem to have. Apple may very well reverse their decision about Flash as hardware and software progress, but clearly it is not a dealbreaker for millions of iPad owners.

I agree with this. Just look at the video end: Flash is already on the run from Silverlight and HTML5. Adobe is hurting. They are a victim of their own suucess in a way; they simply haven't kept up and before they knew it Netflix dumped Flash for Silverlight (and the quality of the stream improved dramatically) and HTML5 is becoming the standard. There was a day, not all that long ago, that Flash ruled and nothing looked like a threat. Except for those who knew how resource hungry Flash really is. Microsoft stepped in and the ultra-light Silverlight took millions of dollars of enterprise streaming away. Now, with HTML5, why go flash? No corporate web designer in their right mind would develop a new site and use Flash video over HTML5.

Bottom line: Apple has no real reason to add flash as it's dying.

Exactly... everyone is yelling at jobs for not having flash, but he knows what he is doing. I don't see any of the flash complainers running a giant corporation like apple.